Forum Topics WTC WTC Brokers and Valuation

Pinned straw:

Added 4 months ago

In this straw, I summarise the market response, analyst response, and my own valuation update, following the surprisingly good result/outlook yesterday for $WTC.

Suffice to say, its a pattern we've seen before.

Market Reponse

The market opened positively, yesterday up 20% with the day's volumes of 1.8m about 4x daily norms. Today has added another 9%+ (at time of writing) on another 1.7m shares, taking the cumulative uplift to around 29%. Just to be clear, that's about $9bn market cap added.


Analysts

Overnight, several analysts updated their valuations and TPs. (Remember there TP's are 12m targets)

Here's a snapshot of the individuals I've been able to track:

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The more complete set on marketscreener.com has moved as follows:

Prior to result: Average $92.82 ($55-$115; n= 18)

Post result: Average $107.32 ($55-$129; n=18)

An average change of +16%, albeit not all have updated.


My Valuation

I have previously reported the details of my detailed, long-run DCF model, built a couple of years ago.

Today was the first day I updated it following the Blume and Envase acquisitions early last year, which always muddy the waters, and I find that I need a clear 12 months for things to stablise, which they appear to.

Based on my range of scenarios for revenue and margin evolution, I get the following:

P(exp.) = $103; Range ($92 - $123)


My Divestment Decision

Earlier this year I sold my full $WTC holding at c.$96, because at that time the SP had flown up towards the top of my valuation range. On 5th August, I bought the position back at a cost base of $87.37, ... courtesy I think of the unwinding of the Japanese carry trade.

Although $WTC is a quality business, its share price is fairly volatile, partly because the market continually misjudges the temporary impact of %GM compression following acquisitions (which are about acquiring capability and market footprint, to then fold into Cargowise). This time a further misreading was due to $WTC taking time to develop the next set of product enhancements, resulting in high R&D and capex, with organic revenue slower to respond.

But whenever the market gets behind the eight-ball on what's really going on, and the result surprises, there is an over-reaction. This most recent "over-reaction" has even caught me by surprise. Having realised a gain of almost 40% in less than three weeks, I have today sold down 50% of my RL position.

I know it can be dumb to sell your winners. Real dumb. But over the last 8 years I have consistently sold down $WTC when it hits the top of my valuation range and bought back when the SP moves to the low end of the band.

One measure I track is the EV/EBITDA(forward) mulitple. Historically, this moves around quite a bit within the band of 38 to 52. Today at my exit price, it hit around 58. I'm confident history will prove that's not sustainable.

Whether its P/E or EV/EBITDA or any other valuation multiple, $WTC moves around quite a lot. So even though it is probably my favourite stock, and the business on the ASX I understand well (second only to $PNV), I do tend to move in and out of it every 1 to 2 years.

I didn't sell my entire position because sometimes the market gets completely irrational about $WTC, and it is not uncommon for it to go even higher over the coming weeks. Worst case, scenario, I'll hold what is still a 5% position in my portfolio for the long term.

Happy Days.

Disc: Held in RL (5%)

lankypom
Added 4 months ago

I'm intrigued by your trading in and out of WTC @mikebrisy , if it is a company you have a high conviction in. Rightly or wrongly (probably wrongly) I don't use valuation as either a buy or a sell signal. If I believe a company I own is innovative, well managed and a clear market leader I will stick with it until the thesis is broken. I've held WTC for 6 years with an annual return of 48%. I suspect that if I had sold at any time in that period, I wouldn't have had the conviction to buy back in.

Not intending to be critical at all, BTW, just observing how there's more than one way to skin a cat.

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mikebrisy
Added 4 months ago

@lankypom It's a question I often ask myself, as I am a bit Jekyll and Hyde on this one. My normal preference is just to buy and add weight over time on weakness and otherwise just hold. ($TNE, $BRG, $MQG are examples and even $PNV over the last 3 years)

Going back through my records, I first purchased a $WTC position on 22-Sept-2016 for $5.33, and it was a Motley Fool Pro recommendation. I didn't really understand the business (to the extent I do now), and at the time my fund was a small fraction of its size today (partly thanks to $WTC, as well as $ALU and $XRO ... and some timely resources trades I've done from time to time).

Over time, I have invested in understanding the business, the industry, and the global competition. (It helps because I teach supply chain management as a side hustle!) From about 2019 onwards I've always had a fairly detailed model, and I've tended to accumulate when the SP has been near or even below my lower valuation bound, and I've sold (partially or fully) when it's gotten above it. I've been invested most but not all of the time.

The number of shares I held this morning was about 65% of the number of shares I first purchased in 2016. So, after today's selldown, I currently have about 33% of the initial position at 23 x the SP.

If you do the maths, then its been about a 48% annual return if I'd held straight through - similar to you. But over the 8 years, there have been about 2 to 2.5 years in total when I haven't had a position in $WTC and have had the capital invested elsewhere. As an estimate, given that my holding period has been only 5.5 to 6 years, then the annual return is probably more like 73 p.a.%.

In summary, the reason this happens is that when a stock exceeds the upper bound on my valuation range, it goes on my "sell" list.

I think the issue with $WTC, is I feel (rightly or wrongly) that I have a very good handle on its valuation. On other stocks that I know less well, my valuation ranges tend to be much wider, and therefore they are less likely to exceed the "sell" threshold. That is a logical weakness in my approach, but it does mean I have been able to turbocharge my $WTC returns over time.

Each time I sell I do run the risk that the SP will run away from me. However, because of the volatility, I've always had a chance within one year to get back on the bus, usually at a significantly lower SP. Over time, if the $WTC SP volatility reduces, which I think is likely, then I'll be less likely to keep doing this.

What's interesting, is that $WTC's beta is actually less than the overall market. My belief is that $WTC's beta is due to the market's repeated misreadings of the near term performance of the business. It’s not random. So far, I'm 5-from-5 on that over 8 years. But maybe I'm just lucky and the luck will run out next time! We'll all know because I always diarise these decisions here!

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