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Pinned straw:

Added 3 months ago

Botanix held a webinar to update the market on the commercial launch of Sofdra.

One of the key points I took away is that the number of diagnosed patients in the US is now thought to be 7 million out of 10 million people suffering axillary hyperhydrosis. Botanix previously had this at 3.5 million diagnosed. If correct that means there are twice as many patients who are aware of their diagnosis and open to trying a new product. 

This may also increase the number of patients able to access Sofdra with no out of pocket expenses. If an insurer requires a patient to have already tried an alternative treatment before authorising Sondra, it seems having a larger cohort of diagnosed patients increases the number of patients who have already tried a competitor and be eligible for $0 out of pocket coverage. This could bring forward the customer adoption rate and accelerate sales.

Where to from here?

So far so good. I’m bullish on the prospects for Botanix, to the point where I’m asking myself: what am I missing?

There is execution risk: it’s possible that all these plans don’t work, or the product doesn’t work, or the customers try it and just switch back to competing products.

The thing is it’s not actually a new product and has been successfully sold in Japan (though a different formulation). So it probably does actually work. We’ll have to see how many patients try it and stick with it. Maybe it’s better than the alternative but not that much better? 

If these commercial plans come off the upside is significant. I’d expect low multiples of the current share price and then up from there if customer retention is good. 

So why does it appear to be overlooked? There’s no revenue yet, so the stock probably doesn’t look attractive on traditional metrics. You have to understand what is in motion. I also wonder if it suffers a bit from being in a less glamorous market: they aren’t curing cancer. This is OK with me but maybe makes it less exciting to follow for some.

The share price has had a good run up over the last 12 months, and I’m weighing up whether to buy more. I’m suffering from some price anchoring here - I bought it earlier when it was cheap, but if I do believe the price remains significantly undervalued then the current price is attractive with less risk than when I purchased previously. I probably will buy more but be patient. I don’t think there’s going to be anything in the next few months to cause a price inflection.


mikebrisy
Added 3 months ago

@Ipsum nice summary of the presentation.

The way I am thinking about $BOT is as follows - as I reflect on yesterday and try and fit all the pieces together.

Analyst projections have anchored on rather conservative market penetration assumptions. At one level, this makes sense: the product is expensive and will need payor support (for which $BOT have done a lot of work); it is not alway effective; and there are some mild/moderate side effects. But with the market so large, how can you even begin to put down some sensible assumptions?

Answer: study the case of Qbrexa and then also consider Japan.

There is a related product in the market in the US: Qbrexa, which has not achieved a very high penetration. The low uptake of Qbrexa may be down to a combination of limited efficacy, the minor/moderate side effects and pricing. Another factor is that Qbrexa is applied with wipes, which are arguably not as convenient for the patient as the applicator for Sofdra.

While SOFDRA and Qbrexa have "similar" profiles (I know this is a very loose statement, and is meant to imply broadly comparable), I think there are some important differences. However, I suspect the analyst projectionss are being anchored by the real world experience with Qbrexa.

I believe a major factor is Go To Market execution.

Qbrexa was launched in late 2018 by Dermira, who marketed the drug for 3 years, prior to selling it to Jorney Medical Corporation ($DERM) in 2021. $DERM refocused the sales and marketing strategy, significantly reducing spending and spending only 3% of what Dermira spent, growing prescriptions by 58% over 3 years, reaching 123k total prescriptions in 2023 and looking like its going to be up 9-10% this year. (See slide below from recent $DERM presentation).

Just to be clear, with each refill at 30 days, then 150k prescriptions this year is only about 12-13,000 patients. Tiny, in the context of the market. The key here is that $DERM is quite a small business - market cap of US$105M - and as the slide below shows, they are taking a very disciplined approach to sales and marketing, spending only 3% of the large investment put in by Dermira.

This is where the management team of $BOT comes in. Their track record in dermatology is impressive, and they are not showing up to create a $100m company!

The webinar gave a deep dive into the sales, marketing and distribution platform that $BOT have built ahead of the launch. They aim to reach some 1 million customers before the sales reps even hit the ground in early 2025. Telehealth is a key differentiator here, and a significant proportion of customers said they'd be more likely to try the product if they can get it without having to visit a physician!

In July, Euroz Hartley (EH) reported that Kakken has sold 350,000 units of ECCLOCK (the name for SOFDRA in Japan) in the last 12 months in Japan. That's treating almost 30,000 patients in Year 4, in a much smaller market, with marketing by a highly diversified company - not a dermatology specialist. Clearly, the product is capable of gaining market traction. ECCLOCK sales in FY23 grew by 67% over FY22, although it does now appear to have plateaued - based on one quarter of data.

For these reasons, I have formed the view that I think SOFDRA is going to do materially better than Qbrexa.

In context, EH's TP of $0.47 only requires 33,000 prescriptions in 2025 and 139,000 in 2026, getting to 500,000 by 203-2031. But in Japan, a market one-third the size of the US, Kakken has gotten to 350,000 scripts in Year 4 and are growing strongly. If the US can replicate the success in Japan, then 1.5 million scripts by 2030 is conceivable - still only a tiny portion of the potential market. But what if the Go To Market execution in the US is significantly better than Japan?

So, despite all this, we come back to the low penetration of Qbrexa. $DERM aren't dummies - they also have a telehealth channel, and product awareness is high due to the large splash in 2018-2020 by Dermira. And that brings us right back to where we started. The analyst projections - I believe - are anchored by the Qbrexa experience.

Conclusion

The strong $BOT management team, the pre-investment in the Telehealth sales and distribution platform, the patient survey data and support from IHhS, the prework done on payors AND the read-across from product experience in the Japanese market, leads me to believe this is limited downside for this product and a very large upside.

So, I now see this as a sales, marketing and distribution execution risk story. What's certain in my mind, is that we are going to learn a lot about this next year as the initial sales reports come through, and we get to see what the execution looks like.

Will it truly fill an unmet need in the market, or will it be Qbrexa 2.0?


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Arizona
Added 3 months ago

Nicely done @mikebrisy

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Solvetheriddle
Added 3 months ago

@mikebrisy great work, without sales and profits the proposition is inherently risky, so there is no use complaining about the market view. the de-risking phase will be interesting.

held spec

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Ipsum
Added 3 months ago

Appreciate all the follow up comments @mikebrisy and @Arizona . Great points, particularly regarding analysts relying on Qbrexa as an analog.


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Arizona
Added 3 months ago

@Ipsum Its great to be able to kick these things around a little, with you good folks. Thanks you


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Arizona
Added 3 months ago

@Ipsum If the attached timline is anything to go by, there doesnt seem to be much to push the share price around, until the new year.

Once sales are reported in some fashion, then there will be something to really talk about, I guess.

So does that leave room for the SP to come off a bit in the meanwhile?

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mikebrisy
Added 3 months ago

@Arizona - I agree we could see the SP behaving like a sail flapping in the breeze. However, I'd expect there to be some hard data in the February update at latest, as there will be:

  1. Initial feedback on the the 18,000 IHhS Patients: # new scripts and - importantly - potential rate of refills
  2. Some preliminary data on early take-up via the telehealth access to the 1 million targeted patient list


Depending on how much data is reported at that time and how convincing it is, it could be a major upwards catalyst (or a big disappointment).

Of course, given that the first sales will be to targeted patient lists, there is every chance of an early update, particularly if there is a strong propensity of patients in the 18,000 and the 1 million to "have a go".

Bearing in mind that some of the analysts only have 2025 prescriptions of a few tends of thousands, continuous disclosure would push management to provide an earlier update if there is a strong initial reponse (mid-Jan?)

I think the potential for early newsflow is probably well-understood by the market. It will certainly be understood by institutional and sophisiticated investors who missed the run-up from $0.14 to $0.40, and are hoping to get onboard before we get real market data. I think that dynamic will prevent the SP getting too soft ahead of real news.

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Arizona
Added 3 months ago

@mikebrisy I have the feeling you are right. The SP may not fall to much between now and the release of some sales data.

From what I can see, there appears to be a substantial number of folks with their eyes on BOT.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge in this arena.

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