Forum Topics DDR DDR Investment decision

Pinned straw:

Added 2 months ago

The investment thesis is well described here on SM (check out the company page and posts over the last year by some great StrawPeople).

Although maybe the SP hasn't bottomed out yet, I've bought my first position (1/3 or 2%) in RL this morning at a smidge over $8.60.

While I haven't done my own detailed valuation work, I am comfortable with valuations in the range anywhere from $9.50 to $12.00, as posted by both StrawPeople and analyst views, as well as looking at historical P/Es, current P/E, and a reasonable expection of >10% annual EPS growth for the next several years.

$DDR has been on my watchlist for a few years now, and I've been patient. What's made me take a bite now, in addition to the various cyclical tailwinds that others have written about, is also that we are now into the monetary easing cycle (which should be good for business investment, which will address some of the cyclical issues, like the ending of support for old platforms) or we likely will be in early 2025 in Australia.

In addition, the recent strong cloud computing / AI results in the current results for Google and Microsoft appear to bode well for higer value hardware and software offerings that $DDR will be distributing in the next 2-3 years.

Given that founder CEO discussions have featured significantly here over recent years, and that one day we will see succession from David for whatever reason, I have spent a bit of time examining the executive team below him. As others have written here, they are impressive and I think this is the kind of business that any good CEO can run.

Plenty of dry powder left to add more for this one, and I intend to accumulate a 6% RL position over time, but will be prepared to respond if the SP starts trending back up.

Disc. Held RL

thunderhead
Added 2 months ago

Welcome to the register @mikebrisy.

I have been a shareholder for many years, though my capital gains have dwindled, so most of the return is from the income which has been healthy so far.

This is not the worst place to add though the shares are stuck in a protracted downtrend. It is not far off some levels of support below, particularly just below $8.

Will you continue building your position to the intended target weight if the share price trends up from these levels? Is that what you were trying to convey in your last sentence? Thank you.

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mikebrisy
Added 2 months ago

Hi @thunderhead thanks! I'll clarify what I meant.

As I have no idea whether or for how long the down trend will continue, I've taken an initial (2%) stake today, with the intention to add more.

If the down trend continues, I'll most likely wait until positive newsflow turns it around. So in theory, if something's changed and the SP is in terminal decline (which I assign almost 0% likelihood to) then my maximum exposure is 2%. Evenutally performance data would confirm my thesis was unsound and I'd exit to preserve capital. (Probably needs more that two bad halves, however). I don't do stop losses.

That said, if it falls much further on no company-specific news and just "momentum" or "sentiment", then my conviction is high enough to probably add another 2%, and leave the final 2% until more performance data is available to back-up my thesis.

Conversely, if tomorrow marks the start of a sharp up-trend, then yay! I got my first 1/3rd of my position in at a good price, and then I'll phase in two further purchases of 2% each, provided I get in before it gets much over, say, $9.20 - $9.50.

So the timing of further increments depends on a combination of SP movement and newsflow. There is no pre-ordained schedule.

Learning from past errors of trying to time the market or going all-in just on my conviction alone, I have been more disciplined in this approach more recently.

But TBH I think $DDR is a good enough business that this might be overcomplicated, and I might more easily have just placed the full position today. However, this more incremental approach has proven to save me from bad decisions.

Hope that's clear.

(Note: while I sold parts of several positions today to make room in my SM portfolio, I did not sell down anything in RL, as I still have ample cash from exits over recent months.)

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thunderhead
Added 2 months ago

Thank you for the comprehensive response @mikebrisy lt’s about as clear as it can get for an amateur like me - lots to digest.

My quandary is the price action/technicals often lead and move ahead of the fundamentals, at least for well followed and sufficiently liquid names. So it’s a case of which is the cart, and which is the horse here. The exception is when you understand a business well and have high conviction - then you ideally want the price to drop while you accumulate, and hopefully only rise after (too easy, right?).

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Solvetheriddle
Added 2 months ago

@mikebrisy very similar position here. the thing i would add is that i listen to a lot of US tech company calls. one interesting feature is that we have been through a significant cyclical fall in demand for client PC and almost every other category, except for AI (which is OTT). it is only a matter of time that there is a cycle back up, DDR will be a big beneficiary, not in SP , imo. we are seeing a bottoming now. timing is always difficult but im patient. :) held

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thunderhead
Added 2 months ago

I will also note that it is not just DDR under pressure. Its comparable, DTL (which I also own) has also been volatile within a general downtrend since it topped out around $10.

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SudMav
Added 2 months ago

Yeh I am an owner of both and it has been a bit of a downtrend of late.

DDRs quietest period is calendar q3 so I’m confident things will trend up when they are closer to doing full year reporting

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Karmast
Added 2 months ago

Yes I own both DDR and DTL too and have been adding a little over the past few weeks.

I attended the DTL AGM this week and was very happy with the new Chair and the job the newish CEO and CFO are doing too. They were positive about the general market conditions moving forward and expect between 5% and 10% growth in NPAT this half.

Hopefully DDR will see some similar results although COO Vlad did suggest the next half will be stronger than the current one, when he presented a few months ago.

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