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mikebrisy
Added one year ago

@Rick I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Management at $LYL are making a good capital allocation decision.

(Note in my ROEs I use the definition: NPAT/ [ 0.5 x (Opening Equity + Closing Equity) ] which I prefer because it estimates the average equity through the period when the returns were earned.)

To cut the dividend for one year, or longer, when your ROE track record is 29% (FY22), 43% (FY23) and 42% (FY24), and is foreast to be 33% (just taking opening equity, but recognising ROE will be lower, because YE equity will be higher given retained earnings) is a good capital allocation decision.

They have a good diversity of projects, across stages of completion, and commodity exposures, and increased exposure to the Americas via SAXUM, .... which as I've said before I like.

They also seem to have a good recent track record on AGM Guidance, for Revenue/NPAT as follows:

  • 2021 AGM: $250m/$20m vs FY22 $232.2m/$27.2m
  • 2022 AGM: $280m/$30m vs FY23 $327.6m/$46.8m
  • 2023 AGM: $345m/$46-$50m vs FY24 $348.9m/$50.7m


They consistently BEAT on NPAT

First of all, I note just how impressive the guidance track record is. Unless you've worked in capital projects, it is difficult to appreciate how challenging it must be to predict revenue and earnings out 8 months ahead. This is the first time I've looked at their guidance accuracy, and for the industry, I think its pretty impressive. No low-balling going on, but reasonably precise given the project-by-project risks involved. And because they have a portfolio of projects of different sizes and stages of maturity, year over year progression is not going to be smooth, even if we look through the commodity capex cycle. So if FY25 turns out to be a bit softer, nows the time to accumulate, given the historical track record.

Investment Decision

I am very comfortable seeing $LYL valued at anything from $12-$14, so as I am very much still accumulating my position in this firm and learning about it, I've added to my RL position today by 25%, taking me mow to 3.2% in RL. (I'd be happy with this one to go up to 6% cost basis over the course of FY25.)

I didn't get the low today, as I wanted to do some more work on this, but my purchase went through at $10.865. I'm not done buying $LYL, but happy to keep some powder dry.

@Bear77 - just checked for and read your post, before filing this one. I'm also mindful that others might bale out with the outlook for a reduced dividend, and if it falls further, I'll happily oblige. :-)

I'll add some on SM today for transparency. Note - I am not selling any of today's SM trades in RL, as I am holding some spare cash in RL (well, a lot actually, with the proceeds of today's TNE sale!)

Disc: Held in RL

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Bear77
Added one year ago

Good stuff @Rick and @mikebrisy - I can't add more LYL here because I'm already above 20%, however if the share price drop moves my position here to below 20% (the site limit for any individual position) I will add as much as I am able to (up to 20%) as I have been doing for the past couple of months every time the position drops below 20% of my Strawman.com portfolio.

That means that I am always buying here the day after share price drops, it's just the way this site works and the site rules around buying only up to 20% of your previous trading day's SM portfolio balance, based on the previous trading day's closing prices. I can't buy any LYL here today because the system says LYL represents 21% of my SM portfolio already.

Tomorrow may be a different story.

In my largest real money portfolio outside of my SMSF I hold 15,000 LYL, worth $172,500 based on yesterday's closing share price - and about $12 K less today - based on the current -7% SP drop - we're in the middle of the CSPA as I type this, so a lot can happen in the next 4 minutes. So, I'm holding back on adding more yet, as around 7% isn't a massive opportunity - not yet. - they were trading at these circa-$11/share levels in April this year, and were below these levels 12 months ago.

I can't add LYL to my SMSF until they join the ASX300, and for that they'll need a higher share price, so I hold them outside of my SMSF. I also hold them as the only company in the one-stock-portfolio I "manage" for our two kids (who are both adults now). I may add some there over the coming days if the SP drops substantially further.

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