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Added 4 weeks ago

An interesting article from Endpoints, a biopharma newsletter out of the US:  

#ASCOGU: Pfizer’s prostate cancer data leak shows promising results in early-stage study

It describes a potential new treatment for prostate cancer that Pfizer is taking to Phase 3.   Not good news for ASX listed CU6 or TLX, should Pfizer be successful. Particularly since the drug is a non-radiopharmaceutical, and the urologist keeps the patient rather than pass on to a nuclear medicine doctor. So if this potential new oral drug if ever commercialised would make it very hard for TLX and CU6. Though the diagnostic part of the CU6 and TLX businesses you would think would survive. 

No doubt this is just one of many new drug ideas nipping at the heals not just CU6 and TLX, but any drug incumbent.   Add into the equation the opaqueness drug development in China that the West knows little about and you have a dangerous investment landscape.  

Of course this is not just confined to drug development. As an example, the previously unassailable Google is now looking very wobbly with the AI challenge and may end up like a Yahoo or like a stone-dead Netscape is not out of the question.

No wonder investors will pay 32 times forward earnings for Wesfarmers to get hold of Bunnings and all things that feed the Australian residential real estate obsession.   Though some cluey bastard right now is probably working on how to get a drone with an attached bag of nails from a shipping container at Moorebank to your backyard.  

Any investing is dangerous. And all the time you have management are blowing in your ear with cutesy stories about how great everything is going to be. And all this other stuff is going on around you that you know nothing about and is just going to kill your retirement plans.  A dangerous world all right. But no reason to give up! 

Tom73
Added 4 weeks ago

To your point @Scoonie there is a lot of research in prostate cancer (and cancer generally) that could disrupt both TLX and CU6. The Pfizer Phase 1 results for mevrometostat which is being tested against metastatic castration resistant prostate cancer (mCRPC) is just one example. Drugs that target mCRPC have priority disease status with the FDA due to the lack of effective treatments and high prevalence and impact of the disease. Hence the approval path is quicker, but it could still take 5-10 years to get from pre-clinical to approval, so it's a relative thing.

I have a dog in this fight to declare and a reason I have been hesitant to invest in TLX and CU6. I am a part time CFO with a Biotech which has a small molecule candidate for mCRPR but it is pre-clinical and unlisted. We are obviously a long way from being in market, and based on average success rates it's only about a 5% chance we will make it to FDA approval,

BUT the potential of our candidate (and potentially other candidates in the small molecule space) is a business killer for TLX and CU6. Subject to verification of safety and efficacy (the point of clinical studies), the cost to provide the treatment is much lower, there is no need for specialised equipment like is required with radiopharmaceuticals to manufacture, nor does it require specialised lab work to match to or modify for specific patients like genetic treatments or the currently popular CART cell therapies. It would be an of the shelf pill and unlikely to require expert administration to be effective.

Now to the point about risk, TLX and CU6 are risky, but far less risky that the Pfizer candidate which is less risky again compared to the candidate the company I work for has. It will be interesting to see how much "time in market" drugs/treatments are also impacted by AI accelerating rates of development. Normally a drug would have a 20-year patent, of which at least 10years would be spent in the clinic, so at best another 10 years generating sales on patent (note it's usually a lot less time in market before the original patent expires, but extensions via supporting patents are common, or may be allowed for priority diseases), but the arrival of a superior treatment is going to cut that short again, so calculating the value is very very hard given the extent of these unknows.

Regarding the diagnostic offering that TLX and CU6 have, these are very important, but probably more at threat of disruption. Diagnostics are usually quicker to get FDA approval because the clinical trial requirements are easier to achieve (generally you can test a new diagnostic without denying a patent the current best practice without compromising the test which you can't do with treatments and it is unethical to deny a patent the existing best practice treatment just so you can test your new one, hence combination treatment testing like Pfizer did with mevrometostat by combining with Xtandi).

Back to the company I work for, the small molecule treatment candidate we have has potential as a diagnostic also (with a similar logic that is the case for the TLX therapy/diagnostic). So it is likely that we would progress both a diagnostic and therapeutic path with a view to commercialise the diagnostic well before the therapeutic was approved.

For some context the Prostate Cancer market is valued around US$15.9b, of which around 56% is for therapeutic treatments and 46% is for diagnostics. So diagnostics is a massive market and if you have an offering that is far superior to alternatives plus it's patented then you get a very large chunk of that market.

The Cancer treatment and diagnostic market has been a focus of large pharma and much of their funding for research for many decades and what is interesting is how much money chases just incremental improvements with a real solution out of reach. Pfizer's mevrometostat results show the median progression-free survival increase from 6.2 to 14.3 months. So on average patients are getting an extra 8 months - it isn't a cure, it's an extension and if successful will be worth 10's of billions.

Not to understate the importance the increase in life represents, the real disruptor would be a cure - one that leads to remission rather than a period of progression-free. Now I note we are talking mCRPC here, which currently doesn't have an effective treatment. This is the stage/status of prostate cancer you basically get to once other therapies prove in effective, so we are talking late stage and hard to treat.

I suppose my point on this is that there are lot's of parts of the market and puzzle, all have competitive and disruptive threats like other businesses, but the thing to really look out for is a fully effective treatment. We will probably see it first developed for hard-to-treat conditions like mCRPC, which is a regulatory supported path to market so quicker and cheaper way to FDA approval, but will be the ultimate threat to other treatments and potentially diagnostic providers across all forms of prostate cancer and potentially a range of cancers.

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