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12-August-2025: MoM Podcast: Booms, Busts & Billion-Dollar Builds (Zimi Meka) (Ausenco)

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Zimi is the founder of Ausenco which was ASX-listed but was taken private in 2016. They are a serious competitor of Lycopodium (LYL) because they love working in the world's more dangerous locations. Zimi even mentioned that he was recently asked to look at a project in Western Pakistan (Reko Diq) which he said they would be willing to take on with the appropriate controls - that's one that LYL recently passed on after doing all of the feasibility studies and FEED work.

Very interesting interview.

Ausenco continues to operate as a private global consulting, engineering, and project delivery company after its delisting from the Australian Stock Exchange in 2016 and subsequent sale to U.S. investment firms in September 2023. The company was acquired by Resource Capital Fund VI (RCF) in 2016, taking it private, and was then sold by RCF to a consortium of Eldridge, Brightstar Capital Partners, and Claure Group in 2023.

They are not listed on any stock exchange now, but they are a competitor of Lycopodium.

Worth noting however that Ausenco's specialty is copper, while Lycopodium's is gold, however they both work on a variety of minerals and metals processing plants including base and precious metals.

Disc: Holding LYL.

Bear77
Added 4 months ago

15/8/2025: I mentioned Barrick's Reko Diq copper/gold project in Western Pakistan in that straw about LYL's competitor Ausenco a few days ago. In their MoM podcast today, Trav, JD & Sam Berridge from Perennial Natural Resources Trust added some more colour to what's been going on over there lately:

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43:59 Barrick's Pursuit of Reko Diq Debt

A few takeaways:

  • Stage 1 Capex is apparently US$6.6 Billion and Barrick want to put in about US$1.5 billion, with Pakistan matching that, and the remaining US$3.5 to $3.6 Billion being debt funded, but they could be having a spot of trouble raising that money for a project that is apparently less than 50 Km from Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and has its own internal issues there in Ballochistan as well;
  • Barrick have apparently written down around US$1 billion due to losing their gold mines in Mali after refusing to negotiate any further with the Military leaders of that west African country;
  • As part of various attempts to raise the necessary project finance, up to 20% of the Reko Diq project had being offered to Saudi Arabia's Manara Minerals, however the Saudis' state mining fund could not ultimately reach an agreement with Barrick and the Pakistani Government, so those talks have now ceased apparently;
  • Barrick are trying to progress Reko Diq in an environment in which they are diversifying away from almost purely gold mining into copper growth projects and there has been activist moves in the US to possibly try to force a break-up of Barrick into two companies, gold and copper, or to spin the copper growth assets out into a separate company, an idea that is gaining traction and support due to Barrick's recent and ongoing questionable capital allocation decisions; and
  • There seems to be both reasonable doubt that Barrick can raise the remaining required minimum additional US$3.5 billion in non-recourse or low-recourse development bank financing that they're after for Reko Diq, and that the project can be built on time and within budget - as well as questions concerning whether it can be operated safely once built - because of its location.

There was a time - last year - when I was looking forward to Lycopodium announcing they had won the EPM contract for Reko Diq, because it was going to be the largest contract in their history, by a decent margin, but now I'm SUPER-happy that Peter De Leo and his team made the decision to withdraw from the bidding process for Reko Diq. And possibly from a second project with Barrick - we know there were two projects they walked away from - I just don't know what that second project was - but I know that LYL were involved in studies with at least one additional gold project with Barrick and that may have been an expansion of the gold mine(s) in Mali that Barrick have recently lost control of.

Looking forward to LYL reporting on Wednesday (20th August 2025).

Disc: Holding LYL (largest position in real life, by a good margin). Not Barrick.

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thetjs
Added 4 months ago

@Bear77 I can’t recall but was there any commentary from LYL as to why they withdrew at the time? I assume the risk profile just didn’t stack up for them.

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Bear77
Added 4 months ago

Yes @thetjs It was definitely risk related - I got the info from @mikebrisy actually - I'll hunt up where he posted it...

Found it - it's a few posts down in this thread: https://strawman.com/forums/topic/10537 and Mike added the post after joining / attending the Lycopodium online conference / results call for analysts and investors about their FY2025 H1 results and their reduced dividend:

Here's the post from Mike (6 months ago), after LYL's H1 results; I've highlighted the relevant bit in bold, which is right at the start of the post:


@Bear77 @Slomo I'll just add a few brief points from the call.

CEO Peter De Leo, when questioned about the guidance downgrade attributed this to them not going ahead with two major Barrack (Cu?) projects. He explained that they weren't comfortable with the contractual terms from a risk perspective. That kind of decision is music to my ears, because it is the taking on of too much project risk which ultimately leads to this sector generating poor returns. I'd rather they take the hit on growth and avoid a couple of train wrecks any day.

We also got some further insights into why management consider the Saxum deal to be transformational. First, Saxum has leading expertise is several engineering disciplines, including structural and mechanical which will complement $LYL's process engineering strength. This is exactly the kind of skill synergy you want to find in a deal like this. So, big tick.

Second is Saxum's capabilities in cement and established track record and relationships delivering cement projects for ALL the global cement majors. Comibine this with $LYL's footprint in Africa. Now just have a think about how global population demographics are going to evolve in the next couple of decades and then think about where all the roads, bridges, runways, and structures are going to be buit. Yep. Africa. So, this is a very future facing deal. (I think I'd completely missed that when we commented on the deal last year.)

Peter also mentioned the excellence of engineering education and workforce in Argentina, as well as America's footprint (which we did discuss last year). Engineering talent is a key constraint for engineers, so it makes perfect sense.

I think Peter was a bit peeved at today's SP reaction. As well he might be. On a comparable basis $LYL is once more cheaply priced in its sector, and that for a company which is more diligent and risk averse than many. He said today might be a good time to buy!

Today's result and the SP reaction will just be noise in the journey of this business IMHO.

Have we ever tried to get Peter along to a SM Meeting? @Strawman @Bear77 ?

Happy to hold and be patient with this one.

Disc: Held RL (3.5% - maybe it should be more?) and SM

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Also the following forum threads on LYL here are worth reading for background and context:

https://strawman.com/forums/topic/10190

https://strawman.com/forums/topic/10444

https://strawman.com/forums/topic/11548

https://strawman.com/forums/topic/9647


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thetjs
Added 4 months ago

Brilliant.

Never easy to say no to big contracts but having that forward focus on risk is always great to see.

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