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Pinned straw:

Added 3 months ago

Article in the AFR

https://www.afr.com/wealth/investing/6-asx-companies-that-have-microcap-stock-pickers-excited-20250803-p5mjxo

Could be responsible for the pop today

Other companies include EGL and CSX

Held

Bear77
Added 3 months ago

Interesting reading @edgescape - always good to see these fundies pumping their own books. In terms of the EGL recommendation - it was from Naomi St John (pictured below), an equity research analyst at broker Taylor Collison with a rare specialty in microcaps, who says the lack of coverage with microcaps is a feature, not a bug.

“For those able to dedicate the time to understanding the story, lack of analyst attention creates opportunity,” St John says.

“An extensively covered stock is often accompanied by considerable noise, which can make it hard to distil the core drivers of the stock.”

It’s important to note, though, that thin coverage can also mean greater volatility. The phenomenon known as pumping and dumping – the co-ordinated inflation of a share price with hype before a sell-off en masse to exploit late buyers – is much more common in microcaps than in bigger companies.

“A company’s update on a contract win or loss may cause over-corrections of price if the importance of the contract is misunderstood by investors,” St John says.

So, keep calm and stay the course with high-conviction picks.

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Taylor Collison’s Naomi St John says the lack of attention on microcaps is a feature, not a bug. (Source: AFR)


Bear77's note: I just googled "Has Taylor Collison done capital raisings for The Environmental Group, when?"

Google AI Answer: "Yes, Taylor Collison acted as Joint Lead Manager and Bookrunner for a capital raising for The Environmental Group Limited (EGL) in April 2023 to support its acquisition of Airtight Pty Ltd. The capital raising involved a placement and a share purchase plan (SPP)..."


Ahh yes, after placing a number of their clients into EGL two years ago, it would be remiss of them not to remind the market of the bull case for EGL when given the opportunity.


Discl: Not Holding EGL at this point in time - sold them after their FY25 report last month on concerns which I shared here.

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edgescape
Added 3 months ago

@Bear77 Can totally understand your point. Usually always the case.

In regards to environmental remediation it seems it will be a difficult sector to succeed unless they find the "magic bullet" that can do the work quickly and efficiently across all cases.

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Bear77
Added 3 months ago

EGL have some niche areas in which I think they have some competitive advantages @edgescape however it's not their potential that bothers me, as they have plenty of that, it's their CEO Jason Dixon stressing that every project had to meet profitability hurdles before they agreed to do it, and that all their people involved in tendering and project execution were fully aware of their minimum margins, and that he was hyper-focused on not only maintaining but increasing their margins, and then we got their FY25 results, and my thoughts were: WTF?!?

A couple of years ago margins were all improving, and in FY25 a few of them went backwards, and not by a little bit either. And it became clear to me that the single project cost blowout (that Baltec IES project in Singapore) was not their only problem. They were another company, IMO, that were overpromising and then underdelivering, particularly in terms of what Jason told us in his meetings with us about margins and profitability.

I also had concerns about their ARR and how that reconciled with their WIH (order book) as pointed out by @Wini here. I agree that it did look a lot like they were overestimating their ARR, and so recognition of revenue issues became another concern. How far did that extend? Rhetorical of course. Too many orange flags for me. No red ones but some were a very dark orange.

I'll probably jump back into EGL in future years if they can prove that FY25 was just a year of teething problems and they're fully back on track, but it's going to take a while (like maybe 2 years) for them to prove that to me, and I don't want to be a shareholder of theirs while they do it, so that's why I sold all of my EGL when they reported.

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edgescape
Added 3 months ago

Back to RZI it might be worth having another meeting with them @Strawman

I have questions on latest fy results

Sorry I didn't get time but will write a proper post about it

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Strawman
Added 3 months ago

You bet @edgescape -- let me reach out.

I was just having a scroll through their latest deck and this caught my eye:

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Quite obviously AI generated examples, which is fine, they are just trying to illustrate their target markets, but a part time teacher on $130k? One that is able, apparently, to enjoy a book and a coffee while her little one quietly sits at his desk.. ha!

And Mitch is able to somehow have investable funds after paying rent/mortgage in Sydney while earning $85k. Only surprised they didnt have him sitting in a porche.

I'm nit picking of course, but boy they're wide of the mark there I reckon.

They do offer Bitcoin (and no "cRyTo") on their platform though, so that's a win! :)

On a more serious tone, while I like the idea of anything that aims to disrupt the dominance of the major brokers, Raiz really has had a tough time reaching breakeven. And it's been a slow grind in winning customers. 5%pa average annual growth here isn't massive, especially given the significant customer acquisition spend (despite a sort of free kick they get with Seven West media being the second largest shareholder and providing advertising credits). Also, shares outstanding have grown ~25% in that time.

They also don’t disclose churn, which is critical for understanding the health of a low-ARPU, high-volume model like this. The unit economics hinge entirely on life time value Vs customer acquisition costs. Historically, CAC has exceeded LTV, which suggests unsustainable growth, although that relationship does seem to be improving in the last year.. Even so, it's not obvious to me that they are on a sustainable footing, especially given they operate in a notoriously cyclical space.

It's something i'd like to dig into if we can get the CEO along.

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edgescape
Added 3 months ago

Interesting point about Seven west media as I also noticed Raiz appeared on Sevens Morning Show once this year

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edgescape
Added 3 weeks ago

Inspite of the mistakes in results presentation rzi has quietly approached bag status for me

I guess the new CEO still hesitant to sit with strawman.

My other concern is many audit firms don't like these robo platforms much as they consider these as alternate investment vehicles so tell their employees to avoid using them. I can't recall why but I think has to do something with regulation

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