Forum Topics XRG XRG Bull Case

Pinned straw:

Added 2 months ago

I jumped on the ASX Small Cap Wrap with Claude Walker earlier this week to chat a few stocks, one of which was XRG.

@Tom73 has covered this one excellently here on Strawman and CEO Wayne Jones presented well a few months ago to the group (though may be worth getting him back post the Texas Department of Safety contract @Strawman).

Given the working capital model they need to keep winning contracts but the recent history on that front has been strong and with the Texas Department of Safety and US Department of Defence kicking in I expect 1H26 should be quite strong.

https://youtu.be/SF_fu_9pFcc?si=StEATk7pGqrfC4TD (XRG conversation starts at 14:30)

Schwerms
Added 2 months ago

Would also be very interested in hearing from them again

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Strawman
Added 2 months ago

Good call @Wini @Schwerms

Leave it with me

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Tom73
Added 2 months ago

Thanks for sharing @Wini , always love to get your take on companies I am interested in and well done buying in for your fund at the cap raise low. Thanks also @Schwerms for suggesting and @Strawman seeking another meeting with Wayne, hasn’t been that long but a lot has happened.

Your point on the ASX Small Cap Wrap @Wini about the risks in XRG centres on needing continued new contracts to sustain cashflows was very pertinent. My thesis requires this assumption to hold and their cash is dependent on them securing around 40+ new PD customers each year until renewals become a high proportion of receipts. 

The exact timing for customer renewals is currently still messy, due to the contracting model being less than 2 years old and having several exceptions. However at worst it is 3 years and most should be this length. In FY25 there were 2 renewals, in FY26 I expect this number to remain low (sub 10 at a guess), but we have the $4.3m Texas Law Enforcement contract cash hitting, which worth at least the same or more than adding 20 new PD’s for FY26.

By FY27 the renewals should be 20+ PD’s and FY28 35+ so the need to find new PD’s diminishes and even in FY26 is only half that of FY25 to maintain the same cash receipts. As such the base line cash receipts requirement for positive operating cash flow is starting to look more solid and reliable, even given the lumpy nature of the upfront cash payment form of sales.

This has only recently been the case, with strong Q4FY25 new customer additions and the announcement of the Texas contract the tipping points. Added to the reduced and longer dated debt this is now a significantly less risky business than when I first invested in January, but still risky.

I look forward to another SM interview with Wayne to get a better feel on how the US PD market is evolving, more on the distributor model for RoW, US DoD and R&D (AR + Cloud). Oh and any progress on exiting Entertainment and having some extra cash to accelerate Operator XR.

Disc: I own RL+SM

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Wini
Added 2 months ago

@Tom73 yep, great points. Some thoughts to help flesh out the conversation.

I think it's important to see a steady cadence of upgrades and new releases. Old customers can upgrade to OP2, larger/more strategic customers targeted OP2 Heavy, and upsell some customers to CUAS module, etc. Can quiz Wayne on that when we chat.

Didn't really touch on it with Claude or in my report but after following the company for a while what got me over the line was the balance sheet is now much cleaner. There is a formal process being run to sell the iFLY business, there is a natural owner for the business but I suspect they are playing hardball knowing they are the natural owner. That said, they generate strong FCF and could be attracted to any financial buyer. But XRG doesn't have to be forced into any transaction after the conversion of Birkdale debt and receipts from Texas DPS and DoD. That said, would be great to see a sale for $8-10m, pay off all debt completely and have a few mil in the bank for working capital buffer.

Looking forward to the upcoming quarterly. Texas DPS underpins my growth assumptions for ARR and TCV, but keen to see what incremental smaller PD's they have won in the meantime.


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