Forum Topics Strawman Portfolio Vs Real Life Portfolio
Bear77
a month ago

21-June-2024: Update: SM PF vs RL PFs = very different currently. Didn't really know where to post this, but here will do. Due to a number of reasons which I won't go into, I have during the past week fully liquidated my largest real money portfolio - now all cash - which I have mixed thoughts about - happy to have exited MIN and FMG before their SP falls over recent days and got 27 cps for GNX, which is good enough and almost $68 for ALU which is not too far short of Renesas' A$68.50/share offer, but wanted to get it all done before June 30, again, won't go into those reasons but there were a couple of them. Which meant exiting SWP (Swoop) very near their all-time low and selling LYL well below where I would have liked to have sold them. But I won't go on about timing. I'll just say that portfolio has beat the XJO (S&P/ASX200 Accumulation Index) over the 7.5 years that it's been operating (so since inception), but not beaten the index by as much as I'd hoped, and there were a few years where it underperformed the index, but the past couple of years have been good, and we've caught up, and it was a good time to wind that one up - while we're in front. It was mostly my family's money in it, but also some other investors, who are all happy with the way it all worked out. Good result in the end.

I have also made some changes in my SMSF, which was my second largest real money portfolio, so also got out of MIN and FMG, plus also sold my CDA, DVP, and in prior weeks also all of the NEU and S32 that I held there, and added Lynas (LYC), and two West African Gold Miners - PRU and WAF - because I think those two are going to be the exceptions to my "West Africa is just way too dangerous and risky to operate gold mines" rule - that I've managed to stick to for a few years now, up until the last fortnight, i.e. I've totally avoided investing in those African gold producers (or project developers), but PRU didn't care one bit and they shot the lights out without my blessing, and now I'm finally onboard the best two of the bunch, IMO... which probably means the top for gold for a while.

My Super now holds just 9 companies - in order from largest position down to smallest: NST, AD8, GMD, PNV, LYC, PRU, NWH, WAF and BGL, so there's five gold miners there in that nine that together represent around 60% of the direct investment portion of the portfolio - so of the 70% of my SMSF that is invested in those 9 companies, gold companies represent 60% of that portion, or around 42% of my SMSF. That SMSF also has about $80K of cash in it at this point in time (as of today - that might change as early as Monday), plus some managed funds including a managed infrastructure fund investment and about 20% of the portfolio balance in CBUS' high growth and balanced growth options. As I've mentioned previously, my SMSF is run through an industry super fund (CBUS), so I can directly invest 80% of it - but only in ASX300 companies (plus some ETFs and managed funds), so companies I would really like to include, like LYL, GNG, XRF and EGL, are off-limits for that portfolio until they get into the ASX300 index. Those were all held in my other portfolio - and have all been sold for now.

Outside of that SMSF, I have a one-stock portfolio for our two children, one of whom has just produced a beautiful grandaughter for us, so grandpa duties keep me busy sometimes these days. Life is good. Especially since I retired from paid work two months ago. The company in that one-stock portfolio is Lycopodium (LYL) and I'm very happy with that choice.

In the new financial year, so in a couple of weeks, I plan to deploy a significant amount of the cash produced by that (very recent) larger portfolio liquidation back into the market via direct investment in ASX-listed companies, like LYL, GNG, XRF, EGL (although hopefully below 30 cps with EGL - I'd like them to pull back a bit), plus some larger (ASX300) companies like ARB, CDA and AD8 at lower levels if the opportunity arises, and a few other names, but for now, everything I've said here in terms of - I hold this company or that company in real money portfolios - you can completely disregard - I'm not going to go through and update straws and forum threads here for every company that I did hold and now no longer hold, but I'll update my disclosures as I add new content about specific companies. For now, and at least until July, I only hold 10 companies in real money portfolios, as mentioned above, and only 7 of those 10 are included in the 25 companies that you'll see tonight in my SM PF. But that will change in July.

Latest exits from my SM portfolio include MIN, DVP, WOW and SRG (DVP & SRG were sold today). MIN are in a strong downtrend with a few near-term headwinds, and I do like the company, but I would prefer to step aside until this downtrend ends and they go back into an uptrend - MIN tend to trend very nicely once they get going - in both directions. DVP have quite a few headwinds at this point, including the fact that some of their chosen commodities are not doing so well - namely lithium, zinc and nickel. Gold is going OK, but DVP is not a gold company despite working for a couple of them (as contract miners) and owning some undeveloped gold projects themselves. They are shaping up to be a similar style of company to MinRes (MIN), and I want to hold both, just not right now. WOW is OK here but I took a quick profit to rotate that money into something that looked to have even more near-term and mid-term upside IMO (GNG). Likewise SRG: good company, but I've taken profits (again) on SRG, this time to rotate those funds into more NST below $14, because they're going significantly higher over time, and I reckon I was underweight NST - they're the largest position in my SMSF but they were down a few spots here and I wanted to bring them back up a few spots.

With Swoop, I'm looking to probably load up a little more here in June and likely sell the lot in either July or August unless they really turn themselves around, so I'm in "salvage mode" with SWP - I doubt I'll be dabbling in Swoop any more in real life. The management experience is there but they haven't run THIS company nearly as well as they've run their previous companies. So in terms of management quality, they don't score particularly highly with me any longer. Way oversold, but I was saying that at 60 cents, 40 cents, 20 cents, and they closed today at 17 cents/share. Doesn't matter if I'm right and the market's wrong if the share price doesn't reflect that. More likely I'm just wrong about this particular company. There must be something that I just can't see. They've underperformed for sure, but 17 cps? Really??! I am tempted to put some real money into them below 20c just to make a quick profit in July or August but I probably will try to stay disciplined and stick to the quality companies that make me smile when I look at them instead of frown.

But, as far as what I hold IRL, yeah, nah, not much right now.

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Tom73
a month ago

Thank you for sharing your situation @Bear77 , it resonates with me that my SM portfolio is totally different to RL - due mostly to RL factors. I admire your ability to pull the pin and sell one of your portfolios to address RL considerations. I have spent the last year liquidating and re-arranging my RL portfolio and should probably finish the job on 20 positions I still hold for the "right time" to exit.

Replicating my RL portfolio in SM has never been possible for me, due to US listings, unlisted companies and a portion of my portfolio that uses a dividend stripping trading system I have developed which I frankly can't be bothered replicating in SM but has done very well Vs the market for the last 8 years I have been doing it. When I joined SM I just added the companies that I was buying at the time - which was about the worst time imaginable to do so given the companies - small caps and tech in early 2021!

So I have for a long time ignored my SM portfolio, it was painful enough addressing problems in my RL portfolio and managing it. However, in the last 6 months I have started to use my SM portfolio to replicate my small cap part of my RL portfolio and help me gain more focus - cutting the number of companies down significantly and holding larger holdings of the ones I do think are quality and undervalued. So far the results are yet to show, but I have found I have much more confidence and understanding of the companies so am actually quite comfortable even where they are below my buy prices (some I want to go lower to buy more).

I hold some large/medium caps (eg FMG, RMD, WOW, ...) which I could replicate on SM, and I find valuable discussions on SM about, but it's the small caps that fit this community really well and where I always get the most valuable insights and information. Also those holdings are for portfolio stability needed for RL reasons to balance other elements that are not in SM.

So, heading into the new financial year I feel like it's going to be a bit of a fresh start like you @Bear77 . I have just added RCE in SM and am in the process of building a significant position in RL and will share my notes on SM next week as it's not been covered by the community yet and I look forward to feedback and insights others have.

For my other holdings, I can now say that everything in SM is in RL and my largest RL holding SGI is also my largest SM holding, but outside of that the two are quite different. That's my MO going forward.

Cheers.

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Strawman
a month ago

This is great @Bear77

Congrats on the new grand kid! And the retirement!

Probably tops beating the market over nearly 8 years (and what a crazy period that was!) -- but only just, right? ;)

Well done sir.

This is no easy feat:

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RhinoInvestor
a month ago

@Bear77 I have to say that I am jealous of the amount of portfolio concentration that you have achieved (probably a fantastic place to be in coinciding with grandkids and retirement). I definitely need to learn to buy with more conviction and sell more of the things where the thesis hasn’t worked out. Can’t say that I’d be comfortable with that level of gold exposure (but my experience is tainted by RSG and SBM … a pair of terrific tax loss selling opportunities).

@Tom73 I feel you with the RL portfolio taking most of the attention (but I guess that’s the real money). I only use SM for the Aus Small Caps and most of my RL portfolio is outside this area. I also just added Aus small caps I owned at the point of joining SM (so performance looks so much better that RL … 100% gain on something that already lost 90% means I only need to 5x from here to get my money back). I’ve been a bit slack keeping RL and SM synced through the year and still got a bit of tax loss selling to do so I will update SM with whatever price things are at next week to hopefully clean up the SM portfolio (will also adjust things so that my portfolio weighting reflects RL).

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Bear77
a month ago

Thanks for the feedback @Tom73 , @Strawman and @RhinoInvestor - good to know how people are running their portfolios here - impossible to get it 100% accurate to RL PFs but mine was previously a reasonable indication of where I saw quality and/or value (or both) across the ASX - for the most part, but I thought I'd mention that transition where I've gone mostly to cash for a short period right now (in late June 2024) -

And Andrew: I'm not Robinson Crusoe on this Island:

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That's an example of the longest time period available here on SM - and a better p.a. return than mine over that period - and, like me, you have NOT done it with a super concentrated portfolio of 1 to 3 stocks where one of them has shot the lights out, it's been "proper" diversified investing across multiple sectors even if not across market capitalisation bands (sticking with mostly small caps clearly does work if you pick the right ones!) - but I've had some shockers along the way, RCR, OSL, SBM, ZNO (they were the worst!), and a few others that I've probably forgotten (that's how the brain tends to deal with trauma sometimes).

On a lighter note, good call to buy @mikebrisy that two week holiday so you could regain your #1 spot!!

Have fun wherever you are Mike!

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Bondie
3 years ago

Only this week I was thinking to start a post on this topic .. so TY, I'm fairly new to Strawman and still getting my head around a lot of the functionality. Things like, why some trades seem to convert and others that should don't, also how to post, reply tag people etc. So hopefully my reply here is correct, Will eventually move onto my P's, but still on my L's.

Back to this, was wondering what most people do and assume almost all scenarios are covered, Seems like people have even more ways to use SM than i had even thought of, so very interesting to read the posts thus far.

Today, i actually made it home before close and decided to purchase $100 of most shares that i hold IRL. You can't turn back time so prices are not correct nor volumes but thought by buying a small parcel will encourage me to start to add straws etc and be able to follow the shares on SM and other members who are invested in the same shares. 

Anything i purchase new IRL, i try to add a purchase in Strawman of some volume also so its relevant.

Great post, Following with interest.

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Seymourbutts
3 years ago

Good comments thus far. I do hold some of my Strawman (SM) holdings in my actual portfolio. However, I do use SM as a ‘precursor’ if you will to get more accustomed to some smaller cap stocks; to understand them and build some conviction.

Most, if not all of my SM holdings are very much high up on my watchlist and are in essence next in line.

Would be great to have 100K to practice this more accurately, however if I dropped all my savings into my (smaller cap) investments I believe the missus would promptly depart me.

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Rocket6
3 years ago

Very much the same - I try and replicate my RL portfolio with my Strawman portfolio. I think this works best as premium paying members. Part of the benefit of the premium model, in my opinion, is being transparent and letting other members know what you think the best ideas are on the share market. 

The two companies that are missing from my Strawman portfolio (that are 2 of my higher conviction stocks) are NVX and SPZ. This is due to me only joining the platform in May this year - at which point I considered those companies a little expensive and thought it would be counter productive to add them. Can I just say how wrong I was - both are up 50% since that point. DOH! 

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