Forum Topics SGI SGI FY24 REsults

Pinned straw:

Added 4 months ago

I'll never understand why companies release their results just ahead of market open or, worse, during market hours. For me, the gold standard is after market close on a Friday (although i know not everyone agrees). My reasoning is that it gives investors the most time possible to digest the results before trade resumes. In other words, it helps ensure 'the market' is as informed as possible. At least do it after 4pm.

Stealth decided to do it at 3:30pm.

It really isn't a big deal, but one of those small things that irks me.

Aaaanyway..

My initial thoughts in regard to the results were 'ok'. Although things seem to be more or less on track.

The revenue growth was a bit 'meh' at just 2.4%. In fact, comparing H2 last year to the most recent 6 months, revenue slipped 2.4%. All the growth came from H1.

Actually, it's a bit worse when you strip out the $1.9m revenue contributed by Force, which provided one month's worth of sales due to the timing of the acquisition. FY organic revenue growth was just 0.7% when you factor that in.

Stealth put this down to inflation and higher rates, which they say dampened demand. Fair enough, but they have previously talked up how non-discretionary their products are.. hmmm

The gross margins did improve slightly, 29.6% vs 29.4% supported by "operational initiatives focused on margin protection, inventory velocity, product profiling, and rebate uplifts, collaboratively with both customers and suppliers." Good to see.

Importantly, the EBITDA margin improved to 5.3% from 4.8% (in fact, slightly better on an underlying basis if you strip out one-off growth related investments). Also good to see a big jump in the return on funds improved, and an uptick in the ROE. Cost of doing business likewise improved.

This is all evidence of sound operational performance and gives credence to what Mike and the team have been saying for some time.

The cash balance increased 31%, but part of that was a drawdown on their facility. And while debt was reduced by 33%, that's only if you exclude Force (which had $5.9m in working capital debt). Still, they seem to have been able to reduce leverage associated with the existing part of the business and still paid a maiden dividend (although, as others have said, i'd prefer they keep the cash at this stage of their development).

So all told, we saw a 50% boost to NPAT, but there are more shares on issue post Force. So we need to look on a EPS basis. And we should also consider things pro-forma.

If we assume Force was held for a FY, we could thumb suck a pro-forma EBITDA of closer to $8m and an EPS of closer to 2cps (very rough estimate). But that's a good improvement on FY23's 0.9cps and puts shares on a PE of ~12

And they have again reiterated expectations for FY28 revenue of $300 million at an 8% EBITDA margin. That'd be something in the order of 7-8 cps in EPS, which is obviously a lot of growth from here (IF they can deliver). Acquisitions are clearly a part of this -- they say about a quarter of the extra $141m in revenue will come from acquisitions. So that's something to be mindful of (acquisitions dont always work out!), but good to see that organic growth is expected to do much of the heavy lifting.

I'm still a bit uncertain about Force, and the lack of any organic revenue growth is a bit concerning. But shares remain cheap (if you assume no further deterioration in earnings from cont. operations) and they have made measurable progress on their efficiency initiatives.

Happy to hold for the time being.

(I'd welcome a sanity check on any of this -- i did this in a bit of a hurry)

thunderhead
Added 4 months ago

Judging by the price action since the results were released, the market certainly doesn't think of the result as just "OK" :)

I was too slow to complete my research and open a position sub 20c. Boo hoo!

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thunderhead
Added 4 months ago

Thinking about it more, the share price momentum may also be caused by the inverse of what’s happening with MIN - yield-hungry punters piling in on the maiden divvy.

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DrPete
Added 4 months ago

I thought I'd throw in some quick thoughts (OK, so, not so quick, by the time I finished writing this) about Stealth's FY24 results prior to the briefing tomorrow. Unfortunately I'm unable to watch live. I trust other Strawpeople will join the briefing and provide an update here. And I'd love it if someone is inspired to fire some of my questions below to Mike.

First, thanks to all those who have already given some analysis: @wtsimis, @Tom73, @mikebrisy and @Strawman. Always great to hear a range of well considered opinions.

Also, I qualify my following thoughts by saying that although I have read through most of the summary announcements, I'm yet to comb through the Annual Report in detail.

Strengths:

  1. Almost all stats have moved in the right direction. Some slower than I had hoped. But pick your favourite stat and it has most likely improved. Gotta give credit for a consistently "solid" set of results.
  2. NPAT is finally starting to become meaningful at $1.4m and the FCF is strong at $4.7m. Even with the share price being a bolter in recent days ($0.30 at time of writing), the multiple is not demanding. Assuming a conservative 1.5% margin for FY25 (the very bottom end of the guidance provided by Mike), on at least the current revenue run rate of $159m (assuming no rev growth in FY25), that's at least $2.4m NPAT, and likely an even higher level of FCF. Based on these stats, any valuation looks attractive.
  3. Mike like's communicating his targets and guidance. He hasn't hit his big targets. Eg the $200m rev and 8% EBITDA never looked like it would be achieved in FY25. But they have gotten closer than I expected: it is highly likely they will get at least 80% of the way there. The goalposts have now moved to FY28 with $300m and 8% EBITDA. If they can get at least 80% of the way there, then there's still enormous upside for share price.
  4. I know others have said they don't need the dividend. But I'll take it. My dad has always liked his "divvies", and I'm increasingly moving in that direction. Dividends have a tendency to impose some discipline on execs. If Stealth needs money for future acquisitions, they have room with their limited debt and healthy current share price.


Concerns:

  1. Like others have expressed, I was disappointed with organic revenue growth. They did close unprofitable stores that generated >$10m in revenue, although I'm not sure of the timing so I don't know what impact that had on yearly revenue (maybe a question for the briefing?). Having said that, others have used the slow revenue growth to question Mike's regular claim about Stealth products being non-discretionary. I actually think the current results support MIke's claims, or at least don't discredit his claims. Non-discretionary doesn't mean growth, it means stability. In a challenging economic environment they have been stable, and shown growth greater than competitors and many other non-discretionary retailers.
  2. I'm still uncomfortable with the Force acquisition. Communications about "diversified conglomerate" and "one business: two divisions" don't fill me with joy. Mike has probably done as much as he can to convey his confidence in the acquisition, so I'm not expecting any new insight to convince me. So it's just "wait and see" if efficiencies and synergies flow through to financials.


Questions:

  1. How will the Force acquisition likely impact margins in FY25? Is it reasonable to judge effectiveness of Force acquisition from FY25 financials? Or will there be a short-term negative impact of the acquisition?
  2. The investor presentation mentions >$10m drop in revenue from store closures. When did they occur and how did that impact FY24 revenue? Also, was there any Force revenue included in FY24 reported revenue? These changes don't seem to be factored into the "underlying" FY25 revenue run rate of $159m which seems to be the sum of $114m FY24 Stealth revenue plus $45m in revenue from Force.
  3. Mike has previously flagged a high margin $60m boost to revenue from acting as a bulk distributor for preferred suppliers. Some of that was expected in FY24, but it seems it hasn't yet arrived. Is this channel for growth still being explored, and if so when might it start to impact revenue?
  4. What should investors expect in terms of future dividend frequency and payout policy? The FY24 dividend was about 20% of FCF and 70% of NPAT. Can either of those stats be used as a rough guide? Will dividends be considered half-yearly or yearly?


OK, that's enough for now. I'm still bullish with Stealth and it is my largest holding on SM and IRL. With recent share price increases I have been offloading a little but that's just because my position has become too large for my comfort levels. It's still my highest conviction holding.

Sorry again for my relative absence on SM these days. Just too busy with work after having sold my tech/consulting business last year. But I still love the community here and I will be back in force in the not too distant future hopefully. Straw on!

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Strawman
Added 4 months ago

Great to hear from you @DrPete and excellent comments, as always!

I won't be able to make the meeting tomorrow either sadly, but I'll see if Mike is keen to chat directly with us.

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mikebrisy
Added 4 months ago

@DrPete good to hear from you. I'll be attending the webinar and will see if I can get your questions in.

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mikebrisy
Added 4 months ago

@DrPete just in case I don't get around to writing a more complete report on the webinar, here are the answers I gleaned to your questions.

I'll preface this by saying that Mike introduced the Q&A by first essentially saying that he was going to ignore all the anonymous questions, then further said those addressing FY24 results has been addressed in all the materials released to the ASX, and he then focused on 2-3 questions. Mine weren't anonymous and those relating to FY24 weren't fuily addressed.

Anyway, here's my take on your questions.

1. Force impact on FY25 Margins? This question was addressed explicitly.

  • Force will have no impact on FY25 margins
  • "All upside profitability" (whatever that means)
  • Adds $45m turnover in FY24 on a FY basis
  • Performing well
  • Major new brands being added: Ringo and Rolling Square
  • Outperforming on sales and margins
  • No negative impact


2. FY24 Revenue Impact of Store Closures? Not addressed in Q&A, but addressed in part during the webinar

  • Stores closed represented revenue of "around $11 million on an annual basis"
  • I took this to mean that the full year revenue contribution of these store, had they not been closed, would have been around $11m
  • Mike added that, "on a like for like basis we were ahead by double digits" which I took to mean LFL revenue growth was >10% (i.e., continuing stores)
  • The stores that were closed were a combination of 1) network rationalisation/consolidation of acquired stores and 2) underperforming stores
  • For me, the key takeaway here was the information of "LFL revenue growth of double digits" as I hadn't assumed the closures were that material.


3. The $60m opportunity?

  • Crickets - not addressed, and I haven't seen it referred to in any of the materials
  • It is both odd that it's not referred to in the materials, and add that the Q&A was dodged
  • Is it turning out to be harder to get or does Mike just not keep track of things he has said before? (IR-101)


4. Ongoing Dividends

  • Expects the ongoing payout ratio to be 40%-50%
  • Note: this inaugural dividend was 71.5%


Hope that helps.

Just in case I don't get round to posting a more detailed analysis, I was struck by just how transparent MIke is about the future plans, the level of detail in the guidance, what new store plans are ... I don't think I'm aware of any CEO who is so open and transparent about future plans.

And we have a clear line in the sand for FY25. The FY24 proforma revenue of the combination is $159m. So I'll be considering the FY25 Result as growth against that baseline, and in the context of the trajectory to $300m in FY28. Or, in other words, FY24 Proform of $159m means that hitting FY28 of $300m requires a revenue CAGR of 17.2%.

I think when I crank all these numbers, I am going to get a significant uplift on my current valuation of $0.40, In fact, at multiple times in the presentation MIke made references to sector comparisons blatantly stating that even though he is very pleased with the recent market recognition, he still considers the business materially undervalued.

Overall, it was an assured and confident presentation from Mike, This is a CEO with a clear plan!

Hopefully, they'll make a recording available.


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Tom73
Added 4 months ago

Many thanks for the notes @mikebrisy , the recording is available, and I am about to view, link if any are interested:

SGI Investor Webinar Recording – FY2024 Results and Future Outlook - Stealth Group Holdings (stealthgi.com)

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Tom73
Added 4 months ago

I agree @Strawman and @mikebrisy that “Ok” sums it up and with your comments, some of which I will repeat in my key take aways but will add that I am on the good side of Ok:

Sales: the week organic sales growth is a concern and challenges the “95% of products are non-discretionary” line Mike has used over the last few years. The annualised pro forma sales with Force added of $159m is as guided and provides the growth needed. However, we now have the SGI business with little/no growth (it fell $1-2m short of the FY guidance given in June) and Force which has had no growth, so the only organic growth I think we can expect in the top line for FY25 is whatever portion of the $60m organic revenue capture falls into the year.

GP Margins: up 0.3% to 29.6% YoY are holding up at levels around the last 3 years. Mike is focused on EBITDA% which is the right approach, Force may provide some GP% improvement but the 60m organic revenue is likely to detract from GP%, so long as the EBITDA% impact is positive then all is good.

EBITDA%: 5.3% up from 4.8% (Continuing Ops) good to see, personnel expenses ticked up 0.2% of sales, but other expenses dropped -0.4% of sales which added to the GP% improvement of 0.3% gives the total EBITDA% increase of 0.5%. This shows a small taste of the operating leverage expected for the investment thesis rests on, slow and steady, good cost control in the face of inflation and basically flat sales.

Investment Thesis: I wanted to see top line growing and that being leveraged on the bottom line for high % growth in NPAT each year, and we are seeing it – slowly as the 5 year data below shows but this years around 50% increase in NPAT is something I am looking forward to seeing for a number of years. If this becomes a patten then on a stable PE the returns will be excellent, but PE expansion with an excited market is also a strong possibility. Thesis intact.


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Dividend (0.84cps): Mike promised a dividend and has delivered. While I am not looking for a dividend and ascribe to the “don’t give me the money if you can invest it well” view of dividends, in this case I think it has some merit. It provides some capital management discipline and to date SGI has been very focused and astute at managing debt, working capital and capital raises during growth, both organic and via acquisition. Also I would rather a management with skin in the game take some money off the table via a dividend rather than selling down some of their position.

Balance Sheet: Net working capital (ex-Force) continues to fall (down $2.4m) which shows good business management and underpinned strong operating cash flows +$6.3m. Net debt of $10.8m is up on $7.2m last year but the Force acquisition is the driver and we have seen this playbook from SGI in previous acquisitions where they drove down the debt efficiently.


In general, the results came in around expectations, but I am impressed with the cost control and working capital control shown in an environment many businesses point to inflation as a reason these have blown out.

The Force acquisition makes looking forward and comparatives tricky but I subscribe to the @mikebrisy model of consolidated expected results and agree the timing is up in the air, but potential value looks solid.

PS: it wouldn’t surprise me the if the time of release was partly due to a time zone stuff up with WA being 2 hours behind… just a thought!

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mikebrisy
Added 4 months ago

@Strawman "OK" about sums it up, however, I am perhaps more on the "meh" side of "OK".

I'm sill looking for signs of the incremental $60m of revenue opportunity within the scope of their current customer base, that Mike has said repeatedly since introducting the idea (a year ago?) that they can capture at relatively low cost. Admittedly, at 1H he said they'd culled some lower margin revenues, so perhaps part of this offsets the initial capture of the $60m opportunity. If so, this perhaps is reflected in the increasing EBITDA margin.

Once more, a little M&A muddies the waters of a clean set of books, albeit not too badly.

But, looking at my pro forma analysis from 6 months ago, they are well behind where I had projected them to be. Admittedly my analysis drives a significantly higher valuation than the SP today... so there is a fair margin of safety.

I am content to hold at my current position, but am putting them on a "watch". My thesis requires reasonable organic revenue growth at a high incremental EBITDA margin. I need to see that showing through over the next two reporting periods, otherwise there is no substance to the thesis and I'd have to question why I cotinue to hold. However, that is for another day.

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mikebrisy
Added 4 months ago

I was a little grumpy in my response yesterday on the $SGI result. Like the market today, I have shaken off this grumpiness. It heped that this morning I did the dividend calculation. The largest in my RL portfolio this season, for a growing business where a 3% portolio position has grown rapidly to become a 5% position! And all that on what remains an undemanding multiple.

All that said, I also agree with others and wish they would hold the capital to deploy on future opportunities. And as such a small microcap with thin margins, a strong balance sheet would be a good thing.

Looking forward to what Mike has to say on the investor call next week.

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