Forum Topics XRO XRO 1F FY26 Results

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Added 4 weeks ago

SaaS SMB accounting and payments platform $XRO reported their 1H FY26 Results today.

ASX Announcement

I might have said that the SP reaction of -9% on the day surprised me (in truth it did), but as a long term holder of this super highly-rated growth stock, you have to expect that anything much short of perfection gets punished, and the effect was amplified by today's marco data hitting several tech stocks (doubts on further interest rate cuts in light of strong October employment numbers).

However, before diving into the details, there are some contextual issues that set-up an adverse reaction, IMHO:

  • Acquisition of Melio - many think this is a return to over-paying for material acquisitions that don't deliver the strategic intent. Senitment around this has dragged the SP from a high of $195 in June to a near 18-month low at the close today of $127.
  • G&A lept up a whopping 48% driven by accounting treatment of Sukhinder's large remuneration package, which almost got voted down at the AGM. The official explanation is: "primarily due to higher executive personnel costs associated with the accounting treatment of option and sign on equity grants announced last year. The majority of these noncash costs are not expected to recur in fiscal '27."
  • While Subscriber additions in North America were strong (+15% to pcp) , revenue growth was relatively weak at +18% on CC. With a welcome breakout of US data (for future reporting with Melio) we can see that Canada is pretty anaemic - but we know that as the economy is hurting as a result of the Trump tariffs. Quelle surprise.
  • There is some ongoing concern about the level of development spend being capitalised, at 47%
  • Finally, while there are limited numbers around for the 1H consensus, there are reports that EPS missed consensus by 13%.


I attended the analyst call and have sliced and diced the results in detail. Overall, I'm pretty happy.

So much so, that for the first time in ages, I have acquired more $XRO stock today just before the close, adding to my less-than-well-timed purchase yesterday. (Important context is that going in to today's result, the SP was already 28% below the TP consensus, although I think some of the analysts have lost the plot with their lofy targets, which run as high as $230!)


My Highlights

For me there are several highlights:

  • CEO reiterated the target to double revenue from FY25 to FY28
  • Revenue was up 20% YoY (+18% CC) driven by Subscribers +10 YoY and ARPU +8% YoY (CC)
  • Reiteration of capital discipline, with the FY26 Opex Ratio upgraded from 71.5% to 70.5% (including Melio)
  • CEO said Melio acquisition is performing above expectionations, and Xero will launch the US payments in $XRO in December.
  • Australia performed strongly, with subs +9% to PCP, and revenue +19% in CC.
  • UK performed very strongly (IMO given the macro), with subs +13% and revenue +20% in CC.
  • Looking past the "one-off" G&A blowout, both S&M and R&D continued to decline as a % of revenue: -0.3pp and -0.5pp respectively. This should give confidence about continuing the operating leverage recent track record.
  • Cash Generation was strong, with FCF up 54% to NZ$321m from NZ$209m in the pcp, alebit flattered by interest earned on cash raised for the Melio acquisition and a weak NZD, but strong nonetheless.
  • AMRR was also up strongly +26% yoy (albeit only +19% in CC, again because of the weak NZD)
  • While Monthly Churn was up slightly to 1.09%, this remains below the long-term pre-pandemic level of 1.15%
  • LTV was up 9% in 6 months from $17.95bn to $19.56bn, albeit only $18.52 (+3%) if we back out the FX benefit.
  • LTV/CAC weakened again in ANZ to 10.7 from 11.6 in March, explained as being due to chasing customers via the direct channel, where churn is higher for small customers who try the platform out for a few months and decide not to adopt. International stayed steady at the much lower LTV/CAC of 3.3.


My Assessment

Across the board, the results were strong. Yes, there are pockets of relative strength and weakness, if you dig deeper, but overall there is nothing that gives me concern or is surprising.

One orange flag is the need to keep an eye on the ANZ LTV/CAC trend, but this value has been so high for so long, you can argue on economic grounds that they have been underinvesting in the home markets on customer acquisition. Good to see International is stable at the less healthy 3.3, marking the more competitive international markets.

The long term target of doubling revenue by FY28, restated today confidently by Sukhinder, requires a revenue CAGR of 26% or 21% depending on how you measure it. If measured from $XRO's FY25 results of NZ$2.1bn to NZ4.2bn, a 26% CAGR is required. Alternatively, if you start from the pro forma Melio+$XRO combination of NZ$2.36bn, then the actual required organic CAGR is 21%).

This must be achieved while continuing to drive operating leverage. Both CEO and CFO are clear about that.

Clearly, that means that management are confident that Melio is going to transform and accelerate prospects in the US market.

$XRO has a focused strategy: the 3x3 of Accounting, Payments and Payroll across ANZ, UK and North America. Melio and the inegration of Gusto, gives the US business the full offering, with opportunities to sell Melio into $XRO's existing customers, and $XRO into Melio's customers, with a combined saleforce ready to go.

Sukhinder presented a clear US Pro Forma set of financials, and so the US will now be reported separately, with Canada absorbed into International. Yay! The key slide follows.

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And so, we will be able to judge progress over the next couple of reports. And given Sukhinder's eye-watering compensation package, I think there will be little tolerance for mis-steps. I guess she knows that. Melio is quite clearly her "big bet" that she can awaken the US Dog that (so far) Hasn't Barked.

And that really is the big unanswered question and one that is worth a lot more than the upfront US$2,5bn paid for Melio. I say that because while ANZ and the UK are solid (with the latter still containing a long runway ahead), those two markets on their own do not justify $XRO's A$23bn market cap. At some point, there has to be an acceleration in North America. And Sukhinder has clearly rolled the dice with Melio. I'm happy she's done that, and Melio looks like a good pick.


Valuation

As I have put more of my RL portfolio into SM, I realise I've never posted my own valuation here for $XRO. And I haven't updated the model for the Melio pro forma FY25 starting point as yet.

So, as a starting point, I am putting in numbers for $XRO pre-acquisition, with simple assumption of organic annual revenue growth of 21% p,a to FY28, Opex Expense Ratio declining to 69% in FY28, $GM to 90% by FY28. (Discount Rate 10%; Tax 30%; SOI gwor at 1.1%)

While the low %GM Melio business messes this up, I am assuming that the Melio acquisition is value neutral, save for the fact that it enables $XRO to sustain revenue growth of 21% pa, with improving operating leverage out for 3 years.

The following table shows the results for this valuation (A$ shown):

4bf593b5d8226a61f5f08c9873d9f4723098c7.pngI've chosen P/E's of 50, 60 and 70 because in FY28, the growth in EPS is still 26% so, the business will still likely be highly rated at that point, albeit it will have fallen significantly from recent highs!

I note that my FY28 EPS is significantly higher than this morning's analyst consensus of $3.26, so that's something to look at again once I have rebuit my valuation for the $XRO + Melio combination.

This gives my valuation for $XRO of $146 ($122 - $170) at YE FY26,

So how does this compare to the analysts? Looking to MarketScreener.com and converting NZD to AUD at 1.16, the analysts price targets have an average of $192 with a range of $96 to $231. Go figure.


Invesment Decision

Even though my valuation hasn't properly modelled the impact of Melio, I am a great believer that M&A rarely adds value on its own. The long term value comes fom how it transforms the organic economic engine. The above valuation is an upgrade to my numbers from the FY25 results, driven by my belief that Melio will transform $XRO's underweight US offering,

With the SP today falling to $127, $XRO has fallen to the lower end of my range, and therefore I am happy to top up, given that the midpoint of my range would deliver a 15% return in 6 months.

So, if Sukhinder is right, and Melio transfroms progress in the US, and ANZ and UK keep doing their thing, then today the market has offered me a chance to top up on one of my longest held ASX stocks (first held in 9-Sept-16).

I've been happy to take that opportunity, increasing my RL holding today and yesterday from 5.5% to 7.8%.

Solvetheriddle
Added 4 weeks ago

@mikebrisy thanks for the comprehensive rundown on this result, although I'm confused why a smart guy like you pays any attention to analysts TP's i think they have no information value, maybe you used them as a trend, blah blah, anyway onto XRO. First up, I'm a sceptic, i admit it, but i do watch this company reasonably closely. it has a dominant position in ANZ, and if i could get UK/US as a free option, giddy up. but that's never the case with this one. There's something i don't like about the CEO, and no surprise she pays herself a fortune. my view is she cut costs, which were the old CEO's attempt to build a platform, and aggressively raised prices; all that is a great ST sugar hit, and it worked, the SP more than doubled (which she astutely used to raise capital). but that left the growth avenue: how to build a more comprehensive platform? and with Melio, we see the real game starting, imo. i thought the result was a mixed bag, revs a bit short but profits stronger, helped as you say by the interest on the float, now gone. XRO is a strong biz, no doubt about that and why I continue to watch it.

i note no price increases for the lower tiers. Are we seeing the first signs of issues with what has been aggressive price increases? lets see.

i am reticent to be overly confident in the valuation until we see how Melio works into the accounts and into the operations. payroll/accounting/payments working in the US would be a huge delta, and for those strong believers in success, XRO is a buy now. they can also probably go a bit before getting into INTU too much.

anyway, for those a bit more cautious, my buy price is just above $100, and could increase, perhaps meaningfully, with more demonstrated success in the US.

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mikebrisy
Added 4 weeks ago

@Solvetheriddle good challenges, as always.

Yes, I've always seen $XRO as "expensive" - ever since I first bought as an MF Pro recc. from Matt J at $19.36 in Sept 2016! And while I've trimmed as well as "traded" peaks and troughs over the 9 years since, it is still a "Top 6" stock in terms of the absolute returns it has delivered for me. But of course, that is one of the worst possible foundations for an investment thesis, as it is about the past and not part of my thesis - although it no doubt creates significant bias on my part! (Hence the need for showers of cold water from StrawPeople!)

I have a different view from you on Sukhinder. So far, I like all the moves she's made, as I've written in previous straws over the years. And I am going to cut her some slack, recognising that Melio looks like a reasonable attempt to achieve a step change in the US (even if they've paid richly for it.). It fits perfectly with the clearly articulated 3x3. Yes it is risky and might not work, but I think she needs to give it a go. North America is core to my thesis. I can't get there just on ANZ and UK.

On her compensation, I recognise it irritates many Aussies. But it puts her in the middle of the pack for US peers, even if is aggregious for the ASX. I don't like that she will still make $9-$14m over 3 years if the SP tanks to $80, because that's a rich reward and very misaligned with me. But I don't mind that she'll make $80-90m over the period if the SP hits $200. But no doubt if she "walks" in 2-3 years because the US gambit fails, I'll probably be playing a different record!! But does that harm my thesis? No. From what I can gather about her, I think she is very motivated to want to make close to $100m over the next 3 years. Surely that's table stakes for her to eventually move on in Techland?

However, since joining she has done exactly what I expect:

  1. Move from a focus on high revenue growth to profitable growth (and yes, that means driving organisation efficiency ... I was worried they'd become bloated under Vamos, who created an expense CAGR of 27%, which SC has pulled back to 14% - restoring a decent gap between revenue growth and expenses growth. )
  2. Focus the strategy on the 3x3: products and markets - super clear about what they are tring to do
  3. Pursue a US acquisition aligned with the 3x3, because quite clearly $XRO was not delivering in the US due to competitve weakness.


On ANZ, I think they seem to be following a sensible strategy. Pushing ARPU while tracking churn. Backing off price rises in lower tiers makes total sense to me. You need time for new small businesses to use the product and come to depend on it. The ARPU drive should be focused on deploying feature options for larger customers, who have come to depend and rely on $XRO, hopefully together with their accountant. I still think that both churn and LTV/CAC indicates there is further room to explore on value extraction in ANZ. And I have no doubt they are take a very purposeful and data-driven approach to that. Some analysts have been moaning about the churn increase in recent results. But we are still well below the pre-pandemic average.

@occy I have a different view from you on the UK. I think they are building steadily there. Good subs increases and strong ARPU advances. Remember, the UK economy is in the doldrums, including poor business confidence which has bumped along the bottom for two years now. Recent renewal of HMRC MTD push should help drive the entry funnel at the sole trader level. Also, we have to remember that by the time $XRO got going in the UK, others were there or close to going with SaaS offerings, including Quickbooks, Sage, and a plethora of others. ANZ really was a unique opportunity. I am happy as long as UK growth continues to maintain clear headroom above ANZ growth. I'm not sure what alternative UK moves would have made sense. They were early enough to make sufficient progress organically, as they have.

Finally @Solvetheriddle - I agree with you about TPs, but I do like to see over the near term how my models vary from the consensus and also the dispersion around the consensus, and I do like to see how analysts react and change their numbers as new information becomes available. Some analysts also do useful research, so notes by the better ones can be helpful. But I agree with you - I don't take investment decisions based on analyst TPs (just as I'd hope no StrawPerson would ever take a decision or even gain comfort from my analysis! There is no excuse to not doing your own work even if you leverage the work of others. When I lose money, I only ever have myself to blame.)

And - just to trigger you some more ;-) - here's some of the updates that have come in over the last 24 hours:

  • Morgans cut 30% from $210 to A$141
  • Jeffries cut 19% from A$167.60 to A$135.50
  • UBS cut 4.4% from A$203 to A$194
  • Morgan Stanley cut 4.3% from A$235 to A$225
  • Morningstar unchanged at their very nice A$100


On this limited sample, the average "cut" (ignoring Morningstar) was 14% moving from $202 to $174, I think the brokers at the upper end were and remain in LaLaLand. In aggregate, the analysts response is reasonably in line with my own analysis. (I always like to get mine out before the analysts do, so that I am not influenced by them.)

The high dispersion in the % cuts is not surprising to me. After all, the Melio acquisition has added a new "wild card" into the future picture, which is not unusual at times of major acquisitions.

I am also interested to see what Bob Chen at JP Morgan comes out with, and also Garry Sherriff at RBC, and how they move their PT's of $194 and $187, respectively. The former of the two has been a bit more steady in terms of TP progression over the last few years, although RBC do flap around all over the place, somewhat, even though I think the quality of their research is pretty good.

All good fun!

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TycoonTerry
Added 4 weeks ago

If @mikebrisy feels assured enough to top up I feel much better knowing this.

It has really hurt watching such an overweight position for me IRL trickle down to 18month lows since the acquisition, but I am reminding myself of the long term prospects of this business (should they turn words and promises into reality).


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occy
Added 4 weeks ago

I agree that there is a certain level of comfort when some strawman members such as Mike have skin in the game with stocks you possess.


Onto Xero though, and my earth they have had a mighty dropoff. Seeing their price in the $120's currently is wild to me given they almost topped $200 not even 6 months ago. I was fortunate to buy in all the way back in 2014 and continually offloaded over the years (often with regret) until selling my final parcel in the $180's which just seemed far too frothy for my taste. Seeing their current price makes me interested again.


I do have to say though, while I admire the continued commitment to the USA footprint they are trying to establish, it really does feel as if they are wasting an opportunity in the UK by not attempting to stranglehold the market like they have done in ANZ. It feels as if they are neglecting some low hanging fruit. If I am reluctant to buy back in, this will more than likely be the reasoning.

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