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Justification

18/02/26

The 1H26 result was no doubt a disappointment for me:

  • Revenue: $174.5 million

  • EBITDA: $29.6 million

  • NPAT: $18.3 million

  • EPS: 46.0 cents per share

  • Fully franked interim dividend: 22 cents per share, payable on 2 April 2026

  • Cash balance: $80.0 million as at 31 December 2025

  • Updated FY26 guidance: Revenue of $370 - $410 million, NPAT of $37 - $41 million

  • Increased project delivery volume expected in H2 FY26

  • Webinar held at 12:00pm AEST on 18 February 2026

Historically, LYL management has been conservative with guidance. Previous guidance estimate was Revenue $390 million to $410 million, and NPAT $40 million to $44 million. FY26 revenue guidance has been downgraded by 2.5% on the midpoint, and FY26 NPAT has been downgraded by 7%. NPAT margins have softened and are now 10.5%.

After a somewhat disappointing half, management are expecting NPAT to improve in the second half from $18.3 million in 1H206 to $19.5 million in 2H26 (midpoint of guidance).

While revenues are expected to be a record high of $390 million (11.5% growth to midpoint from FY24, the last record) NPAT margins are expected to normalise toward 10% according to management. Makes me wonder if the Saxum acquisition has diluted margins and ROE.

To the future

LYL has a a strong order book with $415 million in committed contracts,  while the revenue opportunity pipeline has also expanded to ~$1.3 billion.

Management said, “Overall demand drivers for Lycopodium’s innovative engineering and delivery solutions continue to expand, supported by the Company’s bespoke and modular engineering capabilities and expansion of our geographic footprint.”

Resources:

Lycopodium is recognised as an expert in delivery of projects across commodities where the forward outlook remains strong, including:

  • Gold – robust demand, Lycopodium considered market leader in delivery of gold processing plants
  • Copper – elevated demand for use in renewable energy technologies, electric vehicles and data centres
  • Critical minerals – clean energy sector driving demand for key commodities, e.g. lithium, graphite, nickel, cobalt, copper, rare earths; US-AU Critical Minerals

Framework to drive further domestic investment in project development:

  • Lithium – surging demand, driven by growing electric vehicle and energy storage markets, following recent supply imbalance
  • Uranium– global demand growing, with policy shifting toward nuclear as a reliable, low-carbon energy alternative to coal and gas
  • SAXUM providing new opportunities to access cement & lime market in established geographies (e.g. Africa) Infrastructure
  • Ongoing Australian Government investment in passenger and freight rail infrastructure (e.g. upgrading existing lines, new construction as well as improving rail crossing safety in regional locations)
  • Leveraging Lycopodium’s geographical reach to access international markets

Valuation

LYL reported a 3.7% increase in equity on FY25, now approx $3.96 per share on my calculations. I’m working on FY26 EPS of $1.00 per share (mid-guidance). That puts forecast FY26 ROE at 25.25% (not the 11.7% quoted in the presentation which has been calculated incorrectly. ROE should be calculated on annual NPAT/Equity, not half year NPAT/equity. Not the first time they’ve done this). With 52% of NPAT reinvested at the current ROE, and requiring a 12% return on investment (ROI) I come up with a valuation of $14.80 using McNiven's Valuation formula. I’m going to leave my valuation at $15 for now. Similar to my previous valuation, this might edge downwards at the lower end of guidance, and or upwards with higher guidance estimates.

Held SM and IRL (6.6%)

9/01/26

@Bear77 thanks for your straw. Re valuation I have always found it tricky to value. Management are usually very conservative with guidance. The latest update was in November as follows:

“Lycopodium Limited (LYL) has provided its FY26 outlook and guidance:

  • Revenue expected to be between ~$390 to $410 million

  • Net Profit After Tax (NPAT) expected to be between $40 to $44 million
  • SAXUM integration advancing, enhancing presence in Latin and North America

  • Strong demand for engineering and project delivery expertise in gold, copper, and critical minerals

  • Additional materials released at the 2025 AGM, including an updated Investor Presentation and the third annual Sustainability Report”


if you take the mid-point of guidance in November, NPAT of $42 million, that is similar to FY25 earnings. With 39.7 million shares outstanding, that’s approx $1.06 per share. At $15 per share LYL is sitting of on just over 14 times FY26 guidance earnings per share, which is close to the median over the last 5 years.

Using McNiven’s valuation assuming shareholder equity of $3.82 per share, forward ROE of 27.75% ($1.06/$3.82), 50% of earnings reinvested, fully franked dividends, and a required return of 12% per year, I get a valuation of $16.50. At a required return of 13% per year I get a valuation of $14.50. I think $15 is reasonable value with the current outlook given the range in guidance.

I think if we see FY26 earnings at the lower end of guidance the share price will fall below $14. If it’s toward the upper end of guidance the share price could edge above $16 per share. Like your @Bear77, I’m a solid HOLD at $15, and yes I would be backing up the truck at $10 with the current strong outlook for gold and other metals.

Held IRL (7%)

13/11/2025

FY26 guidance (announced today) suggests revenue will be between $390 to $410 million and Net Profit After Tax (NPAT) expected to be between $40 to $44 million. Taking a midpoint of guidance this suggests revenue will be up $66 million (20%) on FY25. However, NPAT will be similar to FY25 at c. $42 million. The NPAT margin is likely to be lower, ie. 10.5% compared to 12.6% for FY25. FY26 ROE should be similar at c. 27.8%.

I’m going to lift my valuation slightly to $14 per share, based on McNiven’s Valuation. While the inputs to the formula are much the same as my previous valuation (see below), I’ve lowered my required return from 15% to 14% based on LYL’s reliable performance record and the advanced integration of SAXUM. I’m keen to see @Bear77’s summary and view on the operations side.

Held IRL (6%), SM (0.3%)

25/09/2025

I’ve been quiet on Lycopodium recently. @Bear77 has done an excellent job in covering the business and the FY2025 results. Revenue and earnings fell 3% and 17% respectively this year. It’s still a decent result with the NPAT margin sitting at 12.6% and ROE just over 28%.

LYL will provide FY26 guidance at its AGM in November. However, on reporting theysaid the business outlook and demand for services indicated the Company will return another strong financial performance in FY26.

Assuming FY2026 earnings come in around $44 million ($1.10 per share) which is only slightly higher than FY2025 my valuation remains the same at $13 per share. This is based on McNiven’s Formula with equity of $3.82 per share, forward ROE of 28%, payout ratio of 33% (I expect this might increase from here), and a required return of 15%.

This valuation would put LYL on a PE of 12 for FY2026. It is currently trading on 11 times FY2025 earnings. I think in the past LYL has attracted investors looking for the high fully franked dividend. Returning to a 7% fully franked dividend (which is entirely feasible this year with LYLs strong fundamentals) is likely once the Saxum acquisition is paid for, and the debt is back to zero.

I’ll review valuation in November after management update guidance for FY2026.

Held IRL and SM

12/11/2024

The market doesn’t like the Lycopodium trading update:

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Analysts don’t cover LYL, so investors are on their own when it comes to price targets and valuation. I suspect the knee-jerk reaction today is due mostly to dividend uncertainty, but there will be a drop in earnings also. Projected dividends of 0 to 15 cps is disappointing if that’s why you own it. Over the last 3 financial years the annual dividend has been 81cps, 77 cps and 81 cps.

Does this mean the business is tanking? No. Far from it! However, the NPAT guidance of $40 million to $45 million is lower than I was expecting. FY24 earnings were $50.7 million. If we take the mid-point of guidance, $42.5 million, that’s a 16% drop in earnings. I was expecting earnings to be at least flat in FY25. That’s still a net profit of about $1.07 per share. At $10.70 that puts it on a PE of 10 times FY25 earnings. That’s not expensive.

FY25 ROE will remain strong at c. 33% (ie. 42.5 million / $127.4 million x 100). I was expecting a FY25 ROE of 35% so a slight disappointment here.

For a rough valuation pending a deeper dive into the future prospects of the business, I’ll use McNiven’s Formula and the latest guidance and assume ROE can be maintained at 33% going forward, equity of $2.88 per share, payout ratio of 14%, 86% of earnings reinvested at 33%, I get a valuation of $13 for a required return of 15% per annum.

While a low dividend/payout ratio seems disappointing, for a business like Lycopodium with a high ROE it’s actually a better use of capital than paying out dividends and increases the valuation of the business.

I’ll take a deeper dive over coming days, however I’ll probably add more if it drops below $10.50 again. I hope it doesn’t!

Held IRL (4.5%)

8/09/2024

@Bear77 has already covered the FY24 results in detail. I agree with @Bear77 that Lycopodium is a very high quality business and it is also one of my favourites. Bear mentioned the high ROE. I don’t get the same ROE as reported by management in the results (42.2%). FY24 NPAT was $50.7 million and Equity was $127.4 million, which makes FY24 ROE 39.8%. Some companies calculate ROE based on shareholder equity at the start of the year, some mid-year, and some the end of the year. On Commsec data ROE is calculated based on the equity at the end of the financial year. For consistency in comparing and valuing businesses I calculate ROE based on shareholder equity at the end of the financial year.

While FY24 NPAT came in at the top end of guidance, 2H24 NPAT was $20 million compared to $30 million for 1H24.

At this stage management has not provided guidance for FY25, rather some broad outlook statements:

• Strong long-term demand outlook for minerals and metals relevant to the ongoing energy transition will continue to attract capital to build global supply

• Demand for gold remains high, with production expected to increase as new projects and mine expansions become operational

• Demand for iron ore is expected to continue to increase steadily over the coming years, supported by new infrastructure investment in China and India’s growing infrastructure spending

• Australia’s railway construction and maintenance activity outlook is strong, supported by a number of significant publicly funded projects

• Domestic manufacturing continues to present opportunities for the Industrial Processes sector, as does the ongoing development of emerging markets in support of the energy transition, including waste and recycling, water and wastewater, and hydrogen

• Transformation of the global energy sector from fossil-based to zero-carbon sources represents a period of innovation and opportunity in the development of new systems that can operate on low carbon energy sources, whilst maximising waste recovery and reuse

• Lycopodium’s expertise will remain sought after given the macro environment and other drivers

There’s nothing much here to hang a valuation on with a high degree of confidence!

While Lycopodium is slowly diversifying, it remains highly exposed to gold projects in Africa, as can be seen in the slides below:

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The gold price continues to hit all time highs and while the gold price is strong Lycopodium should continue to do very well.

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My last valuation of $15 was over 6 months ago and was based on an ROE of 38%. I’m tempted to pull this back a little given 2H24 NPAT was quite a bit weaker than 1H24. I think there’s a possibility FY25 earnings could be lower than FY24 given the current pressure on commodity prices other than gold, which make up the next largest component of Lycopodium’s business.

Using McNiven’s Formula assuming a more conservative ROE of 35%, equity of $3.22 per share, 40% of earnings reinvested at 35%, 60% of earnings paid out as fully franked dividends (9.4% gross yield), and a required annual return of 14% I get a valuation of $14. At the current share price of $11.75 I think Lycopodium is a BUY and will likely add more shares before it goes ex-dividend on the 19th September.

Held IRL (4.9%)

21/02/2024

Lycopodium (LYL) released another great 1H24 result today. This is a very high quality business operating in a cyclical industry. It is diversified and is starting to grow revenue in some less cyclical sectors, for instance: “Transformation of the global energy sector from fossil-based to zero-carbon sources represents a period of innovation and opportunity in the development of new systems that can operate on low carbon energy sources, whilst maximising waste recovery and reuse” (1H24 Presentation). However revenues are heavily skewed towards resources in Africa.

It’s a high quality business because currently it has a very high return on equity (38%). If you look at the presentation LYL say their ROE is 25.5%.

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Here they are calculating their ROE as the 1H24 NPAT/ Equity. I questioned this in their previous results meeting and they agreed it was only calculated on the half. It needs to be calculated using full year NPAT. LYL reaffirmed guidance for FY24 to be $46 - $50 million. That looks a tad conservative too, given they’ve already achieved $30 million of that. @Bear77 would agree (since it will be in the top 3 companies on Strawman today) that LYL is just one of those quiet achievers that just plugs away doing marvellous things with your equity without crowing before the eggs are laid!

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My calculation of ROE based on equity at the end of Dec 2023 ($127.1 million) and mid-guidance of $48million is 38%. This might not hold up through a depressed cycle so we need to keep a close eye on it. LYL generally pay out approx 70% (50% for this half) of their earnings in dividends, and the dividends are fully franked.

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For FY24 I am expecting a fully franked dividend of 84cps (70% of guidance EPS, $1.21cps). That’s a forecast yield of over 6% fully franked, or 8.5% including franking credits.

Valuation

Turning to the valuation using McNiven Formula assuming ROE 38%, Equity $3.07 (Dec 2023) 30% of earnings reinvested, and requiring a return (RR) of 15% I get a valuation of c.$15 per share, the same as my previous valuation but now I feel the valuation is slightly more conservative. While the cycle is strong LYL should continue to do well.

Held IRL (3%)

14/11/2023

My valuation and justification remains unchanged from 3 months ago (see valuations at LYL). The last three months have panned out even better than I expected and today’s FY24 guidance confirms LYL is expecting continued growth which puts ROE to remain in excess of 40% over the next 12 months. The business is virtually debt free with $82.4 million of shareholders total equity of $113 million sitting in cash. Investors could expect dividends in FY24 to be between 9% and 10% fully franked (over 13% gross yield including franking credits). This is while it continues to reinvest 30% of earnings back into growth.

01/08/2023

Lycopodium said in its guidance update on the 11th April that in the final quarter it is “continuing to see a high level of activity across all operating sectors, delivering a robust order book of projects and feasibility studies across a broad geographic footprint. We are also seeing a strong study pipeline which bodes well for the future. This significant level of activity across all sectors of operation continues to translate into healthy financial performance. The Company now provides an updated guidance for the full financial year, with forecast revenue of $320 million and forecast net profit after tax (NPAT) of $45 million.”

What to expect for FY23:

  • FY2023 NPAT of $45 million represents a 45% ROE, and is 67% up on last year (FY22 of NPAT $27 million)
  • FY23 Net Profit Margin 14%
  • FY2023 EPS $1.13 (80 cps FY22). FY23 PE 8.9 based on the current share price of $10.06
  • Debt free
  • $2.40 per share held in cash ($95 million cash, 39.7 million shares)

At 45%, Lycopodium’s ROE will be the highest in over a decade, and this is the seventh successive year where ROE has been higher than 15%.

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FY23 Earnings and ROE represented in red (Adapted from Commsec data)

I don’t know of any other business which has zero debt, holds 24% of its market capital in cash, and at the same time is expecting ROE of 45%.

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Source: Simply Wall Street

Shareholder equity is $2.60 per share of which $2.38 is held in cash and equivalents.

At $9.70, Lycopodium’s shares are trading close to their all time high of $10.60. In January 2016 shares were trading for $1.16, so along with it’s fully franked dividends it has realised excellent returns for shareholders over 7 years.

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Dividends

At a historic payout ratio of 70%, the final dividend is likely to be over 40 cps, fully franked. The interim dividend paid was 36 cps, fully franked. Shareholders can expect a grossed up annual yield of circa 11% (including franking credits). There is plenty of cash sitting on the balance sheet, so there is also the possibility of a special dividend, a share buy back or an acquisition some time in the future.

Valuation

Over the last 4 years the average PE ratio has been 12.5 (calculated from Commsec annual average PE data). The current PE ratio based on FY23 earnings is 8.6, well below the historical average. Given business performance has vastly improved over 4 years (ROE has more than doubled), I think it is reasonably conservative to use an average PE of 12.5 for valuation. This makes Lycopodium worth over $14.00 per share.

Given the improving business performance I would prefer to use McNiven’s StockVal Formula for valuation. Assuming ROE continues at 40%, reinvested earnings 30%, equity $2.60, you could pay up to $12.50 and still get a 15% annual return (including franking credits).

Even though Lycopodium is trading near all time highs, I think it is excellent value at the current share price. At $9.72, you could expect an annual return of c. 18% including franking credits.

You could pay up to $17 and still receive an annual return of 12% (including franking credits).

I think Lycopodium is currently one of the best (if not the best) mining services businesses on the ASX. I’ve been adding shares below $10 and have lifted my valuation to $15 per share.

Disc: Held IRL (0.8%).

17/04/23

The Lycopodium share price has shot past my previous valuation of $10.00. Is it now overvalued? Not if you base your valuation on the updated guidance with NPAT expected to be $45 million for FY23. That will put FY23 ROE at 43% ($45 million NPAT / $103.5 million equity). That’s the highest ROE in 10 years, and possibly the highest on record for LYL.

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Lycopodium is definitely in a sweet spot at the moment with ‘a high level of activity across all operating sectors, delivering a robust order book of projects and feasibility studies across a broad geographic footprint.’ The increased activity is driven by battery minerals, gold and copper. While we continue to see strong activity in these sectors we can expect LYL to thrive. I think we will see this across the board in other mining service companies also.

My previous valuation was based on a ROE of 35% and a required return of 15% p.a. I feel comfortable bumping the ROE for LYL up to 40% for an updated valuation. Still requiring a 15% p.a. return on my investment my updated valuation jumps to $12 (McNiven’s StockVal Formula). If you were happy with a 12% p.a. return you could pay up to $16 while ROE remains over 40%.

A caution though, this is a cyclical industry and at these share price levels it’s important to keep a close eye on future guidance and the health of the miners.

Disc: Held IRL (0.6%)

Feb 2023

Thanks @Scott for your 1H22 results straw and valuation. This is an excellent result for Lycopodium, and their best return on equity (ROE) in a decade (39%). Unfortunately, they did themselves a disservice in the presentation:

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I asked MD Peter de Leo on the conference call this morning if this was based on the return for just 6 months rather than an annual ROE, which he confirmed.

Those who follow my straws would know that ROE is the first metric that gets my attention. I’m looking for businesses with a track record of consistently strong and preferably growing ROE. I try to find businesses with a minimum of 15% ROE and preferably higher than 20%. There are plenty of businesses with ROE higher than 20%, but most trade on high multiples of PE and PB.

Lycopodium is a quality business and has averaged ROE of between 15% and 25% over the past 6 years. This year ROE will be close to 40%. That’s the best ROE in a decade.

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However, Lycopodium is also a cyclical business with over 90% of its revenues coming from resource companies. Earnings can fall away rapidly when the shine goes off mining.


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None the less, it has a track record of high ROE, and I expect ROE to be in excess of 30% for a few years to come. With NPAT guidance of $40 million, or $1.00 per share, that puts LYL on a FY23 PE of 8.3X. How many businesses can you buy with a PE of 8 and a ROE of 40%. Not many!

If I use McNiven’s StockVal formula, assuming normalised ROE of 35%, a dividend payout ratio of 70%, franking of 100%, and a required annual return of 15%, I get a valuation of $10.04, say $10.00.

I don’t think this is a business you buy and hold for ever. Having said that I have held LYL for several years. The time to sell is when the pipeline of work with resource companies starts to dry up. The project pipeline for Lycopodium still very strong so it’s a strong hold for me.

Disc: Held IRL (0.6%)

Strawman
Added a month ago

Speaking of CEO interviews, I'm rather chuffed to report i managed to snag Lycopodium's Peter De Leo for mid march. Took a while to get that over the line!

This has been a great performer over the long run, so very much looking forward to it.

h/t @Bear77 @Rick

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Bear77
Added a month ago

Never thought you'd get him on here to be honest Andrew. Great result, however I will unfortunately be in the middle of a three week cross-country (SA to south and southwest WA & back) motorhome trip with Family at that point in March so I won't be able to attend live. However, I've locked 7 questions in last night (early this morning) on Slido.

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Strawman
Added a month ago

ah perfect! thanks @Bear77

It's always better when the questions come from those who know the business well.

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Bear77
Added a month ago

Saturday 21st Feb 2026, 1:55am: I've been very busy in the past few weeks and especially this past week, so I've just caught up with and watched the recording of Lycopodium's H1 of FY2026 Investor Presentation – Webinar / earnings call that Peter De Leo (LYL's MD) did on Wednesday after releasing their results to the market. LYL's Chairman and their CFO were also both there but Peter did all of the talking - apart from the moderator (Sam Wells from NWR Communications who handles their investor communications) who basically did the introduction and the order of the analyst questions.

The most interesting part was the analyst questions and Peter's responses - which starts at the 16 minute mark, or a few seconds after. Nothing concerning, but very interesting in my view.

Disclosure: LYL is my second largest real money position, behind GNG.


P.S. I've liquidated my entire SMSF recently, which was completed today (Friday, so now yesterday), all ASX300 companies so that's not where I hold LYL and GNG, but all of my large gold producer positions have now been sold, plus ARB, NWH, DBI, FFM and NCK. All at a profit except for ARB.

This is purely because I found out a few weeks ago that when I apply next week to roll that SMSF into an Income Stream account after my 60th Birthday on Tuesday they were going to sell everything anyway and transfer the cash and I would then have to (still will have to) move 80% of that cash across within the new income stream account into the "self-managed" section (as it is now within the Super Fund account) and buy back all of those positions.

This has of course resulted in me crystalising a heap of capital gains, and one capital loss (ARB). However I wanted to pick my own sell spots rather than let them do it "at market" some time in the next two weeks where I would have zero control of the timing or the prices. And I still would have had to pay the CGT anyway because the gains were/would be made in my SMSF, not the new Income Stream account.

The reason for moving it all into the income stream account is that because I am fully retired and will be 60, all withdrawals from that income stream account will be tax free and there will not be any CGT on gains within that income stream account, so it's an obvious move with clear advantages.

The main disadvantage being I had to sell everything, have had heaps of CGT deducted from my balance, and I'll miss out on any share price gains on those companies between when I sold in the past couple of weeks (mostly this week, including today, sorry yesterday, Friday) and when I buy those back. So, once the money is transferred and I am able to buy, probably in 2 to 3 weeks, I will not buy everything at once, well I might, it depends on what things look like at the time, but I intend at this point to buy back the same companies I sold, but at various price points over a few weeks. It's going to be tricky in March with the Motorhome road trip to WA and back which will take 18 days, so if the account isn't set up before I leave, I may do most of the buying when I return to Adelaide, but then again, I don't think I'll be able to wait that long, so I will probably do some buying during the trip, even though I shouldn't.

Why am I sharing this ? - Because I have been disclosing what I own and often weightings as well at the end of many of my posts and straws, and much of that is now out-of-date, certainly the weightings are no longer current because my highest weighting is currently to cash until I get that income stream up and running.

Because this is all being done through an industry super fund (CBUS) - to take advantage of their low fees - they set the rules and I just have to follow them unless I want to take my funds out and use another SMSF service provider. So simple transfers of positions between the SMSF and the Income Stream account was not possible, and that had been my expectation up until a few weeks ago, that I would be able to transfer all of my positions across as they were. Not so.

So what I'm holding over this weekend is a lot of cash in my SMSF, some minor managed fund stuff that they have to sell for me because they manage it, plus outside of my Super, my income portfolio (which holds LYL and GNG) and my speccy portfolio which currently holds 14 small speculative gold explorers and project developers and a small handful of emerging producers (like MEK, HRZ and BTR). So until I get all that cash back into the market from the new Income Stream account, you won't see "Disclosure: Held" added at the bottom of my straws and posts for all of those companies that I did hold in my SMSF, but have just sold out of.

While my previous disclosures were correct at the time I made them, they should not be relied upon now.

AvagreatweekendStrawPeople!

[I'm planning to catch up on some sleep tomorrow!]

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