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Pinned straw:

Added 2 months ago

The new CEO is a great talker, i found myself coming away from this chat more than a little bullish!

But, then again, I often do. Which is why it's important fellow straw-people throw some cold water on things.

Still, in terms of the positive, it looks like a business with a great piece of tech, genuinely world leading, with a huge opportunity and right on the cusp of commercialisation. And, it seems, with a pretty decent moat. The share price has gone near vertical in recent times (up 5x since we last spoke with the business), but i dare say it's still cheap if they can deliver on their plans. (And, of course, it's likewise crazy expensive if they can't!).

Dustin was saying he's burning through about $1m per month, and that means they will be raising capital in the not too distant future. Not a bad thing if that's used to fund high-return endeavours, of course, but worth being mindful of.

Anyway, i'll let you be the judge. Recording is on the meetings page and the transcript is here:

EIQ Transcript.pdf

nessy
Added 2 months ago

Surely EIQ must be close to getting a speeding ticket. The rise since Jan has been more than significant and not on real news.

Nessy

Held

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laoshi
Added 2 months ago

Got too frothy for me and cashed out yesterday on SM. Up another 5% this morning!

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RoninT
Added 2 months ago

Do we know the exact year in which their exclusivity expires?

And are other countries now starting to record / commercialise their data?

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mikebrisy
Added 2 months ago

@RoninT in a 2024 interview with Alan Kohler, the as he then was CEO Andrew Grover said the deal had 16 years left to run. This is somewhat at odds with the announcement in 2021 of the acquisition of Echo IQ by Houston We Have, where the term was described as 17 years, with the audited FY22 Annual Report stating 16 years.

So make of that what you will, but I estimate exclusivity is good for some time from 2038 - 2040. The difference doesn't matter, because it is a long enough timeframe for $EIQ is get well and truly embedded in clinical practice.

As to size, NEDA is the largest by far that is unified, consistently labelled, linked to patient outcomes (i.e. mortality). Over 1 million scans for over 600,000 patients.

From a quick search there are other databases overseas, but on a comparable basis these are only tens of thousands or low hundreds of thousands, and it is unclear whether they are linked to patient outcomes, which is what is needed to be useful for an AI algorithm. They data is useless if it is unlinked, which makes NEDA so special.

Several of the nationalised health services in Europe could potentially consolidate their datasets (e.g., NHS) but I don't know the state of record keeping that would allow these to be linked to patient outcomes. The same would arguably be true of some of the very large private health providers and public providers in the US. However, at the operating level, the individual facilities lack any integration. So again, a mountain to climb absent a concerted top down and expensive data integration and labelling effort.

So basically, any commercial competitor has, for the foreseeable future, a significant hill to climb to access a comparable dataset. And that is $EIQ's moat.

The moat and clinical value of the asset is unquestionable in my mind. The big question in my mind is whether they can monetise it.

I listened to a recent podcast on by the Economist on the US healtcare system. Basically, investments in preventive healthcare have a barrier to climb. The average lifetime of a US Health Insurance Policy is 2.7 Years (according to the report). So private medicine needs to see a payback in 2.7 years to reimburse preventative measures, and that's one of the contributing factors to the US healthcare market being so messed up. It is world class for emergency care, and disease intervention, if the failure to intervene is death or a long time in a hospital bed, but it is not so great otherwise.

I've been wondering if this is one reason why $EIQ has been so slow to derive revenue from EchoSolv AS, and by extension I am wondering what that means for EchoSolve HF.

In US healthcare you have to follow the money.

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mikebrisy
Added 2 months ago

I’ve caught up on the latest $EIQ Strawman meeting and regret missing the recent share price move following the Validation Study and strong headline results for EchoSolv HF. The data appears compelling, and the use of the Mayo Clinic supports the credibility of the study. The market now seems to be pricing in a high probability of FDA approval, perhaps not unreasonably also given prior FDA experience with EchoSolv AS in 2024.

That said, there remains a credible risk of delay. The HF indication being sought appears very broad (as former COO Philip pointed out in an earlier SM meeting), and the FDA may question how performance holds across different heart failure subtypes. If the submission does not clearly segment the patient population, further analysis could be requested. This would not necessarily change the outcome, but it could delay approval by several months. In contrast, Ultromics took a narrower HFpEF-focused approach with peer-reviewed backing and has been in market since 2022.

At the current share price, much of the regulatory success appears already reflected. This reduces the asymmetry around the FDA catalyst - on fundamentals. Approval should still drive a positive move, particularly given strong sentiment toward high-growth medtech, but the magnitude may be limited unless accompanied by clear commercial signals. A broad approval would position EchoSolv HF as a category leader, but the market is already leaning in that direction.

The more material issue is commercialisation, particularly reimbursement. EchoSolv AS received FDA approval in October 2024 but had generated no US revenue as of the December 2025 half-year - one year later. From what I can tell, the product relies on the miscellaneous CMS code 93799, and the attempt to secure a dedicated CPT code was declined (in Oct 2025). The general code leads to friction in the billing process and likely limits real-world adoption, even if reimbursement is theoretically available.

It is unclear how quickly this can be resolved. The company may be waiting for the proposed AI-specific coding framework, CMAA, but this is unlikely to have a meaningful impact until 2026 or 2027, with revenue benefits potentially delayed further. This suggests that the revenue ramp for $EIQ could lag current market expectations.

That said, EchoSolv HF may follow a different path. The significantly stronger performance metrics could accelerate both adoption and reimbursement. There is precedent for a delayed commercial inflection followed by rapid uptake, as seen with 4DMedical. If EchoSolv HF achieves both broad approval and early commercial traction, the current valuation could be justified or even conservative. I feel that CEO Dustin didn't really get into any of these issues with any granularity, which leads me to conclude that it is a potentially material open issue.

Overall, the stock appears fairly valued based on the current balance of risks and opportunities. Upside exists if the bullish scenario plays out, particularly around HF commercialisation, but this is not yet clearly mispriced IMO. Further work is needed to assess how quickly the company can convert regulatory success into revenue, as I have only done enough research to have sighted some of the issues, and not to have a solid point of view on them.

** EDIT: I decided to go back and re-listen to the 2 previous Strawman meetings. Interestingly, in each, the speaker (former COO Philip) predicted that revenue generation was 6-12 months away. Date stamps were Feb-2023 and Nov-2024. I guess I'm reflecting on the extent to which new US-based CEO Dustin is clear about the revenue ramp? Reimbursement still seems to be very much a work in progress, and the meeting spoke only in concepts and generalities. Clearly, the market has a much clearer view of this than I do. Perhaps I am missing something.

Disc: Not held

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nessy
Added 2 months ago

@Summer12 and @Strawman it is very easy to become overly bullish after an interview like that. I must admit I though Dustin seemed well qualified and knowledgeable to take EIQ in to commercialisation. He seems to have good experience and a good track record. The connections he has made with very well regarded hospitals is a great reference point for the product.

I like the discussion about how companies like EIQ can actually have a moat. The exclusive access to a large library of echography for 20 years is gold.

Yes, there will be a capital raise, which will be at quite a high price in their history (always good). Hopefully current holders will not be diluted too heavily if they don't get an opportunity to participate (possible as I suspect there is institutional interest in a product like this).

Where is EIQ in its hype cycle? Big question and difficult to answer, but I suspect it could be close to peak with anticipation of further FDA approval(s) coming in soon. Very difficult to give a company like this a value at this stage. One of the reasons I am a holder IRL is because of some of David Gardner's points on his "Rule Breakers". Does this company do good for humanity - a big yes. To diagnose heart failure and heart stenosis earlier (and whatever else they bring on) will not only benefit patients enormously, it will save big bucks in health cost.

I was lucky enough to buy around 10c and have taken 20% off the table due to position sizing and having heard Dustin speak (and of course the in depth questioning of Strawman!) I am very tempted to keep the rest and take the potentially wild ride for the next 5 years and see if it does end up like another Promedicus.

Nessy

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