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Added 2 months ago

Timely with all the Soulpatts and Brickworks chat, Scott Phillips has just interviewed Rob Millner on his 2nd podcast "The Good Oil with Scott Phillips".

Search The Good Oil with Scott Phillips "The secret of long term investing success, with Rob Millner" in your pod machine of choice.

It's a light entertainment style show, so don't expect anything too hard hitting, but a nice chat with a successful bloke who has earned the right to be refreshingly frank. They shy away from the Berkshire comparison, but I get a similar vibe listening to Rob, Buffet and Munger. Avoid bullshit, keep it simple, trust in common sense and invest in good people. If only it was that easy.

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#Business Model/Strategy
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SOL and the Milner have had an unintended massive tax win that the brokers are talking about. Some of these exact details may be wrong but this is my understanding - i have not confirmed any of these details and haven’t followed but anyway an interesting sequence of events:

Essentially a lot of fundies never wanted to buy SOL as it was primarily just 3 listed companies that had massive capital gains that made it impossible for SOL to sell as what they invested in would have to such a large upside to offset the tax paid. As a result the fundies were always like i can just go buy those 3 listed companies myself why do i need to own SOL and have that issue.

The merger with milton resulted in a billion dollar tax loss as the LIC continued to rally between the merger was announced and when it was finalised which resulted in a large goodwilll adjustment. No one really knows why Milton continued to rally so hard - some said retail/ passive buying. The goodwill adjustment was then impaired. Now they had a tax offset (over a $1B) - completely unexpected and all luck.

Now they have finally decided to collapse the cross shareholding, something fundies have been pushing for decades for the which the Milners always opposed, in part to keep control i believe.

Now the structure is collapsed at a time of the Milners choosing they have a diversified company that plays in private credit, listed equities and now some less dominant major holding that they can actually sell now due to the massive tax loss they lucked into. Furthermore, it’s expected they may be able to reset the cost base for a number of holdings due to the collapse of the cross shareholding.

Anyway, mostly by luck or perhaps patience SOL has a massive pool of closed capital and they can pick the attractive thing to allocate too - they can sell some of their large banks and allocate to private credit or whatever they want to do.


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##merger
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Added 6 months ago

TLDR; 1+1 = 2 not 3



The proposed merger with Brickworks could result in a new ASX50 name.

Esther Holloway

Soul Patts and Brickworks have agreed to merge. The new combined entity will also raise about AUD 1.3 billion of new equity to cover transaction costs and reduce debt. Since the announcement, shares in Brickworks and Soul Patts were up 28% and 16%, respectively. 

Fundamentals don’t justify rally

The market likes the deal, and we agree that it has merits. It fixes a long-standing governance issue by eliminating the cross-shareholding, boosts free float, and may result in ASX 50 inclusion. Given the positive market reaction, we expect the merger to go through. 

We don’t see material synergies and neither does management. Cost-cutting in Brickworks isn’t on the table, and savings from lower listing fees are negligible. The merger doesn’t create value, so fundamentals don’t justify the share price rally. 

Instead, the merger reallocates value between the existing shareholders of Soul Patts, Brickworks, and the new investors in the institutional equity raise. One plus one still equals two, and for every winner, another party must pay up. 

Merger undervalues Brickworks

The merger undervalues no-moat Brickworks, and we cut our Fair Value estimate 9% to AUD 29 per share. It would lift Soul Patts’ fair value estimate by about 3%, but this is offset by transaction costs. Our AUD 35 fair value estimate stands. 

Both companies are overvalued after the rally. Perhaps Soul Patts shareholders expect more demand from passive money, and indeed, many large caps we cover trade at a premium. 

The combination of the two companies is likely to see extra near-term demand for the shares. But to unwind the cross shareholding, Brickworks shareholders will need to pay. We will make a call on the relative merits of this when we see a scheme booklet

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##merger
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Added 6 months ago

This wasn't on my bingo card....


Investment house Soul Patts is set to merge with Brickworks, forming a $14 billion ASX-listed investments, private capital, property and building products giant, Street Talk understands.


Sources said stockbroker Aitken Mount Capital Partners pitched a $500 million equity raising to fund managers over the weekend as the foundation of the merger.

Perpetual is understood to have put its name forward for a significant minority of the funding, which sources said could be done at a nil discount to Soul Patt’s share price. L1 Capital, Ausbil Investment Management, and Cooper Investors are also expected to contribute.

Soul Patts, formerly Washington H. Soul Pattinson, is a diversified investment manager with stakes in New Hope Group, TPG Telecom and Ironbark Asset Management, among other things. Brickworks is one of Australia’s biggest brick making groups with a history stretching back to 1934.

Soul Patts owns a 43.3 per cent stake in building products group Brickworks valued at $2 billion. Brickworks owns 26 per cent of Soul Patts, worth $3.5 billion. The merger will see the end of a 60-year-old cross-shareholding, first negotiated at Eastwood Rugby Club in Sydney’s north-west to achieve diversification and protect both firms from hostile takeovers.




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#Dividend Aristocrat
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Added 9 months ago

Soul Patts reporting 25 years of dividend growth:

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Outperformance over a 5, 15 and 25 year timeframe:

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Defensively positioned (performs better in down markets than up):


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The investor call is at 1330 today (Sydney time), and much to digest in the slide pack and financial report still.

Disc: held in RL and SM.

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#chart Update
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Added one year ago

Chart Update 16th Sep 24

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#Bear Case
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chart Update Fri 26th July

I would love to own this stock, however I must wait quiet some time. I believe we are already in a large C wave down with w(ii) up completing nowish. This then allows me to plot 28.93 ish as the next major pause in its journey for a large w(iii) down. Im not placing waves (iv) or (v) yet until I see how the stochastics looks when it reachs the bottom of w(iii), although it should then bounce for a w(iv) and then back down to 25.05ish for w(v). So now I wait.

Ignore the time frames as plotting Fibonacci numbers doesnt take into account how fast or slow this could happen.

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Valuation of $33.50
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Added 3 years ago

Scroll down. Earliest stuff is at the top. Most recent stuff is at the bottom.

SOL provides exposure to the obvious businesses like BKW, API, NHC & TPG (formerly TPM), but there are plenty of lesser known investments that will give SOL a kick-along over the next few years, like their Pengana holding (PCG), their mining assets (CopperChem, etc), their commercial real estate assets, and their investments in start-ups and disruptors. There are the obvious catalysts (like a TPG Telecom rebound) and then there are the less obvious catalysts. They will likely always raise their dividend every single year, through good times and also in the not-so-good years, because they can - they have the reserves to do so - and the track record of doing so - and they have stated that they will (and that their dividends are funded from cashflow, not from profits). They will also continue to grow their various business units and business interests, and their SP will continue to track higher over time. Not in a straight line, mind you, but over time, they will keep growing.

The sooner they offload NHC (New Hope Coal), the better, because thermal/energy coal mining is going to become more and more universally hated as time goes on, and companies that derive 25% or more of their income from thermal coal assets are going to be punished (sold down) by the market. BlackRock, the largest fund manager in the world, with over $10 trillion in FUM (yep, that's trillion with a "T") have recently announced that they're removing all such companies (25% or more of revenue derived from thermal/energy coal) from their managed / discretionary accounts. This won't affect most of their index-based ETFs but they are developing new ETFs that don't include such companies. Other large fund managers will follow BlackRock's lead. Regardless of an individual's own opinion on whether climate change exists or is indeed influenced by us (humans) to any great extent (and the science is overwhelmingly of the opinion that we have caused significant climate change and will continue to do - and that we urgently need to take radical steps now to repair the damage we have done and to stop the situation from deteriorating further) the facts are that climate-change now means investment risk (polluters and those seen as responsible for negative climate change either by polluting or providing the means to pollute will be sold down - as will the thermal/energy coal price) and fund managers would be doing a disservice to their clients if they ignore that risk. SOL derives less than 25% of their income from NHC, or at least they will this year - and likely for the foreseeable future, but it's still a turn-off for many investors.

Another turn-off for some is the cross-ownership structure between SOL & BKW (Brickworks) which means that nobody can take over either company without both companies agreeing - which they would be unlikely to do. It also allows the Millner family to control both companies with a relatively small ownership percentage (under 10% last time I checked). However, putting all that aside, SOL is one of the last of the real diversified conglomerate companies available on our market, where there is a track record of solid investment performance, by long-term shareholders who are prepared to back good businesses (like TPG Telecom) for decades and reap the rewards of those investments over many years, while paying an increasing stream of dividends to their shareholders. I hold them in both my main portfolio and in my super.

08-Sep-2020: I no longer own any SOL, as I have explained in my "Risks" straw. I think that Millner's reluctance to divest their 51% of NHC is not doing the company any favours, and nor is his attitude to climate change and investment risk. I still admire what he has achieved with SOL over the decades, but I don't hold SOL shares any more. I would now rather pick and choose which of their (SOL's) holdings (such as TPG) I want to hold personally, and then buy those shares directly. And I do not want to hold NHC.

09-Mar-2021: Update: Price Target of $33.50, based on momentum mostly. IV (intrinsic value) is well south of that I reckon. Not holding.

07-Sep-2021: UPDATE: New 2-year PT of $39, so by September 2023. Not much to add, as I've covered off SOL already either above or in various straws. They are like a PE (private equity) mob, and are virtually immune from being taken over due to the BKW/SOL cross-shareholdings, which could never happen now, but it seems also can't be unwound in the case of Soul Patts and Brickworks. The main reason I'm no longer a shareholder is simply their 39.85% stake in NHC (New Hope Coal). SOL/BKW DID hold 49.9% but sold down (or were diluted by a CR - I haven't checked) in December (2020) and June/July (2021) and are now at just under 40%, but it's thermal/energy coal, and I'm not keen to hold NHC shares, even indirectly. That said, NHC closed today at $2.29, so their SP has doubled in 4 months (they were $1.145 on May 12th). SOL have done pretty well over the past year also - closing at $36.20 this afternoon, some 72.7% higher than their closing price one year ago (of $20.96). They look expensive up here to me, but I daresay they're going to go on and get even more expensive.

SOL's outperformance this past year comes despite one of their main holdings having a poor year. SOL own 12.6% of TPG Telecom (TPG) which is down for the year, particularly since David Teoh left the business - with zero notice. 12.6% might not seem like much, however that's 12.6% of a $12.272 billion company, so SOL's stake in TPG has a current market value of $1.55 billion, and SOL itself has a market cap of $8.47 billion, so TPG accounts for 18.3% of SOL's m/cap. NHC's m/cap is $1.88 billion, so SOL's 39.85% of NHC is worth $749m (or $0.75 billion), half of the value of their TPG holding.

Of course, SOL's biggest investment is their 45.4% stake in Brickworks (BKW), which is worth $5.57 billion (BKW's m/cap is currently $12.27 billion), however BKW own 39.4% of SOL, so that gets a bit tricky...

06-Dec-2022: Update: I'll revert back to my earlier price target for SOL of $33.50. They have positive momentum but I think $39 is going to take a bit longer than I had anticipated back in September 2021. Let's say $33.50 by December 2023.

I don't hold them. Have done previously. I would like them a lot more if they didn't hold such a large stake (39.9% currently) in NHC. I prefer Brickworks, but BKW's largest investment is their 26% of SOL. What a tangled web they have woven.

I came across an interesting article about that, and why SOL tends to trade much closer to their underlying NTA than BKW does - see here: https://www.afr.com/chanticleer/retail-investors-explain-soul-patts-and-brickworks-value-gap-20180920-h15mh4

I'll post a bit more about that in a BKW straw I reckon...

This is how the two used to look a few years back:

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The numbers have mostly changed since then.

Here is SOL in July 2019:

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Source: https://strongmoneyaustralia.com/lic-review-whsp-soul-pattinson-asx-sol/

Here's what they looked like in January this year:

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But there's also this:

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And don't forget this:

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Since then they've sold Round Oak Minerals to Aeris Resources (ASX: AIS) however SOL own 30.32% of Aeris Resources (AIS).

And here's something that many people may not be aware of...

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And then there's this:

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And let's not forget their Property portfolio:

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This is the final slide from their Half Year Results Presentation in January 2022:

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So negative working capital, but not much debt for a company of their size, a fair chunk of that debt offset by their $166m cash balance at the time, plus their average borrowing cost was just 0.72% p.a. and their return on investment would have been a good deal higher than that methinks.

And sure, we might not be too surprised that SOL have decent investments in blue chips like BHP, WOW, CSL, MQG, TCL and WES, plus some APE (Eagers Automotive) and ALQ (ALS), but I don't think too many of us knew that SOL had investments in all of these smaller companies:

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Source: https://www.whsp.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/WHSP-results-half-year-FY2022.pdf


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#H1FY21 Results 25/3/21
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Added 5 years ago

 

  •  Group profit after tax up 35% to $68.9 million (1H FY20: $51.0 million)
  •  Diversified portfolio showing resilience against market volatility
  •  Interim Dividend up 4% to 26 cents per share (1H FY20: 25cps) o Grown at a compound annual growth rate of 8% for 20 years
  •  The only company in the All Ordinaries to have increased its dividends every year for the past 20 years
  •  Total shareholder return of 1,189% over 20 years o Total Shareholder Returns have outperformed the market by 5.6% per annum for 20 years
  •  Number of shareholders increased 13% on previous corresponding period

DISC: I hold

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#Announcement~Share sell down
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Added 5 years ago

SOL has sold 50,000,000 of their shares in New Hope, and so no longer own over 50% of New Hope's shares. They still retain 365,000,000+ shares which is still about 44% of shares on issue.

Form 604 is also attached

Is this a sign that SOL is moving on from NHC?

I have a holding in SOL

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#Takeover offer for REG
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Added 5 years ago

20-Nov-2020:  REG: Regis Rejects Non-binding Indicative Offer

Also, 19-Nov-2020 (4:42pm, i.e. after market close):  Non-binding indicative proposal to acquire Regis Healthcare   and (4:48pm)   Becoming a substantial holder from SOL

SOL (Washington H Soul Pattinson & Co) have an arrangement with Ashburn Pty Ltd and Ashburn owned 27.23% of Regis Healthcare (REG) yesterday.  SOL and Ashburn Pty Ltd have together launched an offer to acquire REG for $1.85/share, reflecting a 25% premium to last night’s $1.475/share close.   So far, REG is up around +20% today, at around $1.77, but have been as high as $1.815, so there is obviously some doubt that this deal will go ahead, particularly as the REG board have rejected it this morning.

WHSP (SOL) has proposed two alternative forms of consideration to Regis shareholders, being full cash consideration or a scrip alternative in a newly incorporated company, allowing Regis shareholders to retain an exposure to Regis as a privately operated business.  Funding is expected to be provided by cash, undrawn credit facilities and other liquid financial assets on WHSP's balance sheet.

Now we wait and see if any other bidders join the fray, or if SOL/Ashburn are prepared to sweeten their offer to get the REG board onside.

We were discussing PE (Private Equity) companies here over the past couple of days, and I mentioned that WMA have around one quarter of their LIC invested in PE companies, and that IFT is a listed company that operate exactly like a PE company [I hold IFT shares].  Well, WHSP (SOL) are another company that do operate in a similar way to PE, however SOL do tend to have a longer term focus and are prepared to hold many of their positions for decades.  They also don't mind the odd shorter term deal here and there, but they definitely have a longer term focus than the majority of Private Equity consortiums out there.  The big turn-off for me however with SOL (meaning lately, because I used to hold them) is their controlling 50% interest in New Hope Coal, one of Australia's largest thermal/energy coal producers.  If they offloaded their NHC stake, I would probably buy back into SOL - at the right price.

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#Results
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Last edited 5 years ago

24-Sep-2020:  WHSP FY20 Results Media Release   plus   WHSP FY20 Presentation   and   Preliminary Final Report

Cash generation from investments up 49%, 20 years of increased dividends

Key highlights:

  • FY20 Group Regular Profit after tax*: $169.8 million, -44.7%
  • Group Statutory Profit after tax: $953.0 million, +284.3%
  • WHSP’s net asset value (pre-tax): $5.2 billion, -5.3%
  • Net cash flows from investments**: $252.3 million, +48.8%
  • Total Dividend per share (fully franked): 60 cents, +3.4%

*Regular profit after tax is a non-statutory profit measure and represents profit from continuing operations before nonregular items.  A reconciliation to statutory profit is included in the Preliminary Final Report on page 25.

**Refer to Preliminary Final report – Alternative Performance Measures - for the definition of net cash flow from investments

  • Washington H. Soul Pattinson remains the only company in the ASX All Ordinaries to have increased its dividends every year for the past 20 years
  • Dividends have grown at a compound annual growth rate of 9.2% for 20 years
  • Total Shareholder Returns have outperformed the market by 5.2% per annum for 20 years
  • Diversified portfolio showing resilience against market volatility – FY20 Net assets outperformed the All Ordinaries Index by 6.9%

WHSP’s objective is to deliver to its shareholders:

  1. Superior investment returns:  In the year to 31 July 2020, the All Ordinaries Index fell 12.2% however, the gross value of WHSP’s portfolio decreased by only 5.3% generating a 6.9% outperformance.
  2. Steady and growing dividends:  WHSP declares its dividends from the cash it receives from its portfolio (rather than accounting earnings). The net cash flows from investments received by WHSP for the full year FY20 was 49% higher than the previous year. This strong cash generation allowed the Company to declare another increase to the final dividend and places WHSP as the only company in the All Ordinaries Index to have increased its dividends every year for 20 consecutive years.

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Comments on above results

Net profit after tax (including non-regular items) attributable to members

The statutory profit after tax attributable to shareholders was $953.0 million compared to $247.9 million last year.  The increase in statutory profit after tax of $705.1 million was largely due to the accounting gain of $1.05 billion on de-recognition of TPG Telecom as an equity accounted associate following the completion of the TPG/Vodafone merger, partly offset by New Hope Corporation impairments and restructuring expenses incurred in its Queensland mining operations. The prior year included the gain on the sale of WHSP’s 160 Pitt Street Mall property.

Regular profit after tax attributable to members

The regular profit after tax attributable to shareholders for the year ended 31 July 2020 was $169.8 million compared to $307.3 million for the previous corresponding period.

The decrease in regular profit after tax was mainly attributable to the following:

  • New Hope (NHC) revenues lower due to USD thermal coal prices and lower production at its Queensland mines, partly offset by a full year contribution from its 80% interest in the Bengalla Joint Venture and a lower AUD/USD exchange rate ($92.4m) (69%)
  • TPG Telecom contribution lower due to net margin reduction from the migration to the NBN and WHSP not taking up a share of TPG’s income from 29 June 2020 due to the merger of TPG and Vodafone ($23.4m) (25%)
  • Brickworks experienced a fall in demand in its building products businesses in Australia and North America due to COVID-19, partly offset by a solid contribution from its property division ($12.7m) (23%)
  • Reduction in investment and trading income and an increase in net interest expense from increased gearing ($20.6m) (26%)
  • Round Oak saw increased revenues from its Barbara and Mt Colin mines entering production, offset by lower commodity prices and high ore treatment charges +$11.6 +21%
  • Total ($137.5) (45%)

Refer to Chairman’s Review and Review of Group Entities for further details on the results

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#Rob Millner interview
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#Results
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Added 6 years ago

26-Mar-2020:  A number of announcements were released by SOL today, including:

Half Yearly Report and Accounts

Media Release

Analysts Presentation

As expected, with their large positions in NHC (New Hope Coal) and TPM (TPG Telecom), plus their CopperChem business, WHSP (Washington H Soul Pattinson, ASX: SOL) have announced lower revenue and lower earnings, yet have once again increased their dividend, as they ALWAYS do.  

"WHSP does not consider its earnings to be the key indicator of the Company’s performance.  As with any investment portfolio, the key drivers of success are growth in the capital value of the portfolio and growing dividends."

They pay their dividends out of their cashflow, and their cashflow remains strong.

This company is a core holding in my super portfolio, and while their SP will fluctuate in the short term, it rises consistently each decade, and they pay higher dividends every single year.  There is only one other decent sized ASX-listed company that have that sort of multi-decade track record of consistently raising their ordinary dividends - and that company (which I also hold) is Ramsay Health Care (RHC).

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