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#Paid Acquisition
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Added 10 months ago

Interesting that the bros on Baby Giants mentioned Articore (formerly RedBubble) in the latest episode. It's one I took a look at recently. I was interested because the EV is now less than 1x GPAPA (gross profit after acquisition costs) and it's now running around breakeven. Any improvement in reducing costs, any incremental growth, or any improvement in paid marketing efficiency (Google ads mainly), will see a marked turnaround.

But the trend in GPAPA margins is ugly.

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The Gross margins have been improving over the years - likely from scale, better pricing with manufacturers, clawing more margin back from artists, some better efficiencies with routing, etc. But they've given it all back and more with increasing paid acquisition spend.

The good news is that management seem to be finally shifting their focus towards paid acquisition efficiency and cost reduction - rather than chasing growth, fly-wheels and brand-building. Will be interesting to see if they can make a dent.

Undifferentiated E-commerce - your margin is Google and Facebook's opportunity.


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#Change of Name
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Added one year ago

Redbubble received shareholder approval to change its name to "Articore" with the new ASX code ATG.

Not held in RL, or planning too.

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#Artist Tiers
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Added 2 years ago

Redbubble released the following announcement on Thursday with an update to the market. Briefly working through the numbers, I think the company will continue to operate on negative cash flow basis until revenues increase or they can cut costs even harder but how do they do that and grow at the same time? Of interest was a new tiered system for artists, three levels: standard, premium and pro. I never believed the story that the "artists" were core to the business, I saw the "artists" more as content creators trying to make something to match the current trending items of the week. The different tiers may allow Redbubble to discourage the use of copyright infringing material through lower financial incentives and incentivise original work, in the same way YouTube incentivises their best channels.

At the moment still firmly on the sidelines...

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#Business Model/Strategy
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Added 2 years ago

Not sure if anyone is still following the RBL story but looks like Etsy is having similar issues re counterfeit issues.

Recently the subject of a short report "$ETSY has become one of the largest platforms in the world for counterfeit goods, and it is indisputable. They risk running afoul with the DOJ, FTC, and Customs Border Protection.'

Source - Citron Research | Executive Editor Andrew Left | Publishing Since 2001

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#Reading between the lines
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Added 2 years ago

The trading update for 1HFY23 didn't look good for Redbubble. As a previous shareholder I was surprised how far backwards the business has gone in such a brief time. Revenue is flat for YoY and "operating EBITDA" moved from $10.5m to $-18m for 1HFY23.

When I sold out, I highly doubted the $1.25bn sales target they had for "CY24+". Flicking through the announcements of the past year or so, this blow out to FY26/27 in the presentations and now isn't even mentioned. One of the things I liked about Redbubble is the consistent format of data they provided quickly at the end of each quarter. I note this half end there is no presentation and the financial information provided is not a complete set. Management don't want to be loud about the current condition of the business.

Just a reminder to me how as an investor I should be "reading between the lines" when looking at company announcements and noticing the subtle changes period to period in what the company is saying. Additionally, don't take management's goals as forecasts but as aspirations....


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#Price Down to Covid19 Lows
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Last edited 2 years ago

Is the Market Overreacting?

Can it really be THIS bad?


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#Trading Update
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Added 2 years ago

WOOF!!

Daily share price down 26% and 7% on the back of the update.

My question: Is the market OVERREACTING to the downside?

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#Financials
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Added 3 years ago

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#Financials
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Added 3 years ago

The last six halves with revenues (blue), PBT and CFO (gray)—both on RHS. Its been a wild ride for RBL through C19. Revenues falling again this half but costs not--cash crunch. Only trading at about 0.6x sales, but the lack of control over the operating lines is disconcerting to me. Plenty of cash, but where is it going? One for the thrill seekers imo. sorry not sure about the empty box

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#Bear Case
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Added 3 years ago

Why are labour costs so high/increasing?

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#Financials
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Added 3 years ago

Never been a fan but harder to be negative when the price has fallen as far as it has.

Looking at the medium term targets (have assumed they get there by FY28) - I cant see how they can get to 13-18% EBITDA margins unless the cost base stays static from here onwards?

Revs $1.25bn

Gross margins 40%

marketing costs - 16% of sales in line with current levels

EBITDA $130m / 10% margins at best

OR....

Revs $1.25bn, GM 37%, marketing costs increase to 20% of sales to stay relevant... EBITDA $65m / 5% margins

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Valuation of $2.30
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Edited 3 years ago

General Comments: I really wasn't expecting such a hit to margins for RBL. The margins are important to profitability for RBL with a few percent making a significant difference to profitability. I still don't believe management will get anywhere near their revenue target unless there are significant further decreases in margins, which would make the goal of increasing revenue pointless from a shareholder point of view.

I have formed the view management overemphasises the need for high quality artists. In my own opinion, RBL is more of a fun gift site, when you search RBL there is so much content that I wouldn't know who is a great "artist" compared to a bad one. I think most of the "artists" on the site are just there to make a few extra bucks from design work they enjoy doing. Whenever, there is a trend, a bunch of "artists" will create a similar copy just to be in the running to pick up more sales. Basically, I am saying you don't need to pay artists more because there is already so much competition between them.

Valuation assumptions (with recent changes in italics): MP Revenue for FY22 = $518 million Revenue growth = 20%, from 25% previously.% to artist = 20% from 17% previously.GP = 38 , from 40% previously.Paid acquisition as a % of marketplace revenue = 11%, from 10% previouslyDepreciation and amortization increase per quarter = 8% FY24 Net earnings = $54 million FY24 PE assumption = 25 (previously FY23 used an PE of 30, reduced due to margin contraction).Discounted back at 15%.


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#ASX Announcements
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Last edited 3 years ago

Trading update released today, Redbubble has posted a 16 percent slip in its marketplace revenue of $384M and a 22 percent decrease in its gross profit of $144M. This results in an EBITDA loss of $2.3M on the back of FX losses.

They say this is in line with expectations and they reiterated its previous FY2022 full year outlook statements.

The statement adds they are committed to a medium term strategy of investing for sustainable growth which almost sounds like an afterthought.

On open the shares are up over 4% - results must be better than the market expected. Not held.



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#Business update
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Added 3 years ago

Today's business update has not been well received by the market; so far today RedBubble has lost over 1/4 of its market value, and is down roughly 70% in the last year. Ouch!

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Back in October last year, the business told the market it expected Marketplace Revenue to be "slightly above FY21 underlying Marketplace Revenue" (underlying strips out mask sales). It also said that EBITDA margin (as a % of marketplace revenue) would be in the mid single-digit range.

Today's update says that it now expects Marketplace Revenue to be "slightly below" FY21's underlying result, with EBITDA margins to be "low single-digit negative".

The margin deterioration was a result of increased competition and increased acquisition costs (marketing -- basically paid search). In addition, it suffered from increased shipping costs.

The company was at pains to point out the longer term trajectory of the business:

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So, investors can probably expect FY22 Marketplace Revenue of roughly $495m. After today's drop, the business is now on about 1.2x that. That's hardly demanding for a business that is targeting marketplace revenue of $1.25 Billion in the medium term (2.5x current level). However, sales multiples offer little context without some assumptions of what margins look like at maturity.

The issue then, it seems to me, is about the ability of the business to deliver reasonable margins as it grows -- and not have search companies (Google & Facebook etc) capture most of the value. It may well achieve decent long term growth in revenues, but only operate on razor thin margins.

For example, let's say the business is actually doing $1.25b in revenue by FY25 but only gets a 4% net margin (which, according the the bears may even be still too generous). That'd be around $50m in net profit, or about 18cps (with no additional share issuance). A PE of (say) 20 would give a FY25 price target of $3.60, or $2.58 when discounted back by 10%pa for 3.5 years.

In this context, the previous close of $2.99 does indeed look a bit pricey, and today's price action is not entirely unreasonable.

So that's the conundrum I think. If you think RBL can actually sustain better margins, there's likely a decent opportunity at the current price. If not, and assuming they can keep growing the top line, shares are probably described as fair (at best).

For me, I don't have nearly enough conviction that the business can grow without sustained and significant customer acquisition costs. I'm not sure it will generate enough of a genuine network effect to make it a primary destination of choice for consumers, who will continue to simply google for what they are after and find the lowest cost producer.

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#Bull Case
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Added 3 years ago

I don’t want to be the web traffic guy but it’s a quick free and easy method of research and I haven’t thought about DCF since uni.

RBL seems to be steadily increasing web traffic, is already profitable, has cash with no debt. Unless the traffic is only seasonal (and I don’t have a 1-2 yr chart) this seems interesting to me. 37addfc049dcc3eebf96947336da523184e7ca.jpeg0ff36ab66e20acddbdc5ceca8abf4ab2f1cbeb.jpeg

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#Creator Perspective
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Last edited 3 years ago

I'm a not a graphic designer, just a bored tech consultant (I implement cloud CRM systems IRL) who needed to de-stress during a rainy locked down weekend after a particularly hectic week.

Regarding copyright - Redbubble doesn't let you upload anything unless a disclosure statement is ticked. Presumably this is Redbubble's argument that is has a consignment business model and would argue that the individual, not the site, is liable for infringement.

Note this article in the AFR regarding Hell's Angels and copyright infringement: https://www.afr.com/rear-window/redbubble-s-hells-angels-woes-continue-20210909-p58qae 

@suttree LOL, thanks. I was a little hesitant but here it is

(@Strawman do let me know if the link should be taken down and if it violates any rules)

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#Creator Perspective
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Last edited 4 years ago

I've now sold my first T-shirt (yay!)

For those interested, Redbubble has sent me an email outlining the following: 

Your Current Configured Margin %: 10.0% 

Your Margin: AU$1.96

The sale details:

Retail Price: AU$22.56

Total Margin: AU$1.96

I then received another email outlining the breakdown of cost price ($20.60).

Size: L
Color: Black
Print Location: Front
Quantity: 1
Manufacturing Fee: AU$20.60
Tax rate: 10.0%

Total Manufacturing Fee
AU$17.84

Total Manufacturing Fee (inc. Tax)
AU$20.60

Now the question is...what is cut that Redbubble takes? Just taking a general guestimate figure of 16%, ie the average of the last 6 years of % gross margin, this comes acorss as $2.86

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#Creator Perspective
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Last edited 4 years ago

I submitted and created a Redbubble design today (long story short - a colleague made a joke and we thought it would be hilarious to make t-shirts out of it).

The user experience was super simple, intuitive and fast. After whipping up the design, it took less than 5mins to upload, made some tweaks and have the 'shop' opened.

Things to note:

  • Creators pay base prices for their own products (Sadly it seems Redbubble does not provide any freebies - had to buy my own product!)
  • As part of the process, the creator sets the % margin and this determines the final price. I believe the % margin is paid out to the creator. No listing fees!
  • Ability to customise the % margin based on a specified product (eg different % for a Long T-Shirt, hoodie, clock, mouse pad).
  • I was impressed by the professional and realistic looking product mockups and human models.
  • Redbubble takes care of alot of the 'paperwork' - as part of the process, you can input an ABN, or select an ATO individual use exemption. This really removes the barriers for non-business savvy beginners.
  • Creators get paid to an AU back account or Paypal account.
  • Ordering process - had to jump out of the cart to run some errands and immediately received an abandoned cart follow up email
  • In my opnion the 'base' prices seem quite absurd - ($22-$30 for a T-shirt). A customer that pays full price a T-shirt is looking around the $28-$40 mark.
  • Reviews around the quality of the product seems quite mixed. Some comments I have seen suggest previously the materials were better and the quality has gone down since.
  • Documentation / help articles were very comprehensive, detailed, and were actually helpful.
  • Ability to make a public or private listing

 

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#Merry-go-round!
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Added 4 years ago

WOW! Yesterday was a great example of momentum and following the crowd!

Sold down in the AM only to see it settle by the evening $1+ up from its lows and up again further today!

In my mind I pictured that scene when a merry-go-round has stopped and there is that transition point where the kids who have finished rush off quickly to get to the next ride (sellers) whilst, at the same time the new riders are released when the gate opens and they race to occupy one of the ponies to ensure they get a seat (buyers) for the next ride! 

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#ambivalence
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Added 4 years ago

You know when you watch a good court room drama, the defence lawyer is speaking, and at the time he/she seems to make perfect sense and you find yourself agreeing wholeheartedly with them? And then the prosecution lawyer has a go, and you find yourself agreeing wholeheartedly with them too?

Well, I'm getting that with RBL.

I completely understand all the negatives people had raised, but I use RBL and find their products are not overly expensive and of good quality. The only negative as been the kids photographic posters which were not of good resolution. T-shirts and masks were great.

I can see why people are unimpressed about the near term revenue forecasts, but the reasoning behind them seems sensible. There has been an exceptional event which has caused a not-to-be-repeated bump in sales. Firstly the lock down induced online shopping phenomenon, but also the number of masks sold, which is unlikely to be repeated at the same level. I would anticipate many of those customers will continue to use RBL in the future but how many masks do you need? In the presentation, they clearly stripped out this "bump" to estimate "normal sales" increasing at the previous CAGR., not the COVID rate. Should the "underlying" increase in revenue/sales etc not show evidence of improvement over 24 months, then clearly that would be of concern. Flagging the probability of a slow-down in the short term sounds like good managment to me.

Regarding the "network effect". I can see reasonable arguments for both sides. If they can invest in growth to become the dominant place to buy this sort of gear, then there is an argument to say that this will become a flywheel. Sure an artist can go off to some other platform but  who is going to go looking for them? I know I can log on and find a huge range of work to choose from at reasonable price. Why would I look anywhere else.

The copying and copyright issues are definitely of concern. The example picked by Claude was unfortunate, given Banksy cannot claim a copyright . But the point could be applied to other areas, and other artists,  as has previously noted. I will be watching closely how they cope with this issue.

Overall, I'm happy to hold for the time being.

 

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#Results
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Added 4 years ago

Good luck to anyone who bought Redbubble at the open today.  After closing yesterday at $3.06 it opened down as much as 14% after releasing its annual result on the market.  I can't remember seeing the market change it's mind so comprehensively on a company of this size.  It's gradually been improving all day and is now up 22% on yesterday's close.  If you bought at today's low you would be up more than 42% on the day - on effectively no new news! Efficient markets...pfftt.

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Valuation of $2.26
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Added 4 years ago
Updated valuation, based on decline in revenue for FY2022. Assuming EPS of 36 cents per share in 2029, and discounting this back by 15% (I perceive RBL has a shallow moat / high risk), @ a PER of 20. Adding a 20% margin of safety.......
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#Claude makes very good points
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Last edited 4 years ago

Redbubble business model - Claude Walker 

I can't argue against first principle research. Follow Claude in "a rich life". I misunderstood the network effect, and I think it is a great lesson for investors. Do not take company presentation deck for granted; research the product first before looking at the presentation slides. 

The article is free to read, but I will summarise the main points: 

  1. "Network effect" compares wrong metrics and is a myth.
    • "Redbubble's business model is better compared with smaller online apparel retailers who need to advertise extensively on google (which Redbubble does)."
      • Quite true. If Redbubble had a network effect, then marketing spends should plateau, not increase. The new CEO made it clear that they will spend more capital in the next 4 years. 
      • They spent $45m, more than 10% of its revenue, on marketing costs. They have to do it to keep the 3 sides network effect alive. 
      • I made the mistake of not looking at the capital Redbubble need to keep the business growing. 
  2. Redbubble "flywheel" is prone to legal liability. 
    • "The ugliest part of the Redbubble stock promotion is the complete disregard some shareholders have for the fact that the company profits from the stolen IP of artists around the world. If you are a Redbubble shareholder, there are only two possibilities: you have not done your research, or you simply do not care that theft is a part of their business model. Search "Banksy" into Redbubble, and you'll see what I mean." 
      • I was not aware of this red flag. I guess my reason for this blindside was that I previously tried to trick the redbubble platform. I did a Darth Maul design and put it on Redbubble. After 3 hours, the design got rejected due to copyright infringement. Therefore, I concluded that Redubble does not allow artists to put stolen IP into the platform. However, I was unaware that Redbubble could steal an artist's IP outside of Redbubble and put it into the Redbubble platform. Until there is legal action, it does not cost Redbubble anything.
      • "Print-on-demand marketplace Redbubble owes teen fashion retailer Brandy Melville $520,000 for contributory counterfeiting of two of its trademarks, a California federal jury found Wednesday in a finding that holds Redbubble liable for printing and distributing works listed by its users." 
      • Brandy Melville most likely not be the only one.
  3. Please do not listen to influencers on Twitter, Youtube and other online forums (then again, I am turning into one, so do not listen to me). A better way of saying it -> do not listen to influencers blindly:  
    • Everyone from sensible professional stock pickers to clueless amateurs, the powerful lesson was that Redbubble was analysed incorrectly - shame to say, but I am inside that spectrum. Luckily, I did not put too much weight into the stock. 
    • Financial Youtube channels only serve to capture attention, not provide insight. They provide unlicensed financial advice even though they make the general advice disclaimer. Luckily for me, I am covering one stock in detail in my youtube channel - Janison to provide more insight than the "finfluencers". Also, I am aware of the financial advice disclaimer hence not recommending you to invest. I like putting my research out there for everyone to see. However, most of my research is put on strawman so that people can come to the correct conclusion faster. 
    • The major failing of strawman is that members came to the wrong conclusion of Redbubble. We did not test the thesis. Claude broke the thesis down. Next time, we should try the platform/product ourselves before making a judgment call. 

After looking at Claude's deep analysis, Redbubble has become a challenging company to analyse and invest. The business is no longer ethical, the evidence is strong, and it will cost the company long term with ongoing legal fees. The worst part of the business is that Redbubble is only a platform. They do not have unique IP to prevent artists from leaving the platform. The true moats in network effects are Google, Facebook, Apple and Amazon. They trap you in the ecosystem and monetise you (directly/indirectly).    

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#Thesis Review - Potential Sell
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Added 4 years ago

I have reviewed my thesis due to a rethink of growth trajectory and poor showing on website traffic pages. Some general points with regards to buy/hold/sell are below.

Reasons to buy:

  • PE is around 23-25. Therefore, not expensive for what think is fairly called a growth company with potential. 
  • Management has a good plan and clear strategy. New CEO has delivered in the past.

Reasons to hold:

  • Would you be doing this review if the share price was $5/6? Probably not...

Reasons to sell:

  • Website traffic websites all show a significant decline in popularity for YTD. This is hard to judge exactly how this relates to sales but large growth in search popularity generally matches the sales. See Google trends screenshot.
  • Loss of mask sales and COVID lockdown customers. Which were a big boost to sales (this risk was known when investing).
  • Questions over whether the same profitability will continue. There were one off bumps from covid that didn't match the normal seasonality of similar results for Q1,3 and 4 with Q2 being significantly larger. I think I underestimated the COVID boost.
  • Litigation due to copyright likely to continue. There is quite a bit of copyright material on the platform.

Today's price pop was interesting. Not a lot of volume so if I had to bet on what the cause was it would be amateur traders playing the Australian lockdown or some TA bowl shape I have seen mentioned. RBL makes its money overseas so I see no material change due to the Australian lockdowns/outbreak.

I have reduced my valuation down to $4.19 as a result of my revenue expectations. There is still some margin to play with but not a large margin of safety. 

The thesis is close to being broken based on revised revenue expectations and google trend data. However, these are just guesses/estimates of the future financial results. I will be awaiting FY end numbers to make the final call. My conviction is lowered going forward with a strong potential of a sell occurring.

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Valuation of $3.20
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Added 4 years ago
12/5/21 The new CEO has laid out his plan on growing the business and it will require reinvestment which hurts operating margins in the short run. However, if he hit these targets, the valuation can span from $2.16 (10% EBITDA) to $4.24 (15% EBITDA). Since I am not confident in either estimate, I took the simple average of the 2 which came to $3.20. $2.16 assumptions on my end: - 30% revenue growth till 2024 reaching $1.2B as forecasted by the new CEO. - EBITDA margin of 10% - Cost of capital - 15% (Very high for Redbubble due to the the high volatility of the stock price). - perpetual growth - 3%, Terminal cost of capital of 6% gave terminal value of $3.5B. - Reinvestment (sales to cap of 1 very inefficient from 2021 -2024 and then operating leverage afterwards so sales to cap of 2.5). $4.24 assumptions on my end: - 30% revenue growth till 2024 reaching $1.2B as forecasted by the new CEO. - EBITDA margin of 15% - Cost of capital - 15% (same as before). - perpetual growth - 3%, Terminal cost of capital of 6% gave terminal value of $5.2B. - Reinvestment (same as before).
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#Marketplace Revenue by Quarter
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Added 4 years ago

Expanding on Rapstar's seasonality of earnings straw. In my opinion the only way to compare the quarterly result is with the corresponding quarter. I have created a column graph of marketplace revenue by quarter. The general trends and seasonality are quite clear..

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#Seasonality of Earnings
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Added 4 years ago

Holders need to be aware, this is a very seasonal business.   Attached is the quarterly revenue numbers, which shows the slowdown, is all part of the seasonal cycle, although the slowdown is about 20% more severre than usual.   

If that continues, Redbubble holders can expect a relatively flat FY2022, as the economy tranititions to a post-COVID reality.

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#Q3 FY2021 - Results Summary
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Last edited 4 years ago

General Notes

  • Q3 is normally a bad quarter for RBL compared to other quarters results. I believe the way to compare the results is with the corresponding quarter.
  • Presentation appeared to be the new CEOs vision for the company. The CEOs strategy background from time at Seek is obvious.

Positives

  • Revenue numbers for quarter we better than thesis required.
  • Focus on customer loyalty. I think this is somewhere that can improve so acknowledgement of this is positive.

Negatives

  • Market didn't like the announcement around $1 taken off the share price (around 20% drop in one day).
  • Companies target is approximately my baseline thesis. Are they under or over promising?
  • I felt like they were trying to hid the quarter numbers which wont strong compared to other quarters. Still provided the quarter number results table as per usual.
  • Is this a negative inflection point as previous quarters YOY was much stronger? Is company just being realistic about growth from here. My thesis was based on 25% corresponding quarter revenue growth, result was 55%.

Has the thesis been broken?

  • No, thesis was based on 25% revenue increases over previous corresponding quarter moving forward with margins the same as historical. On a negative, this is now the baseline of expectations set by the company, they do need to execute. Substantial growth has occurred over the previous year, moving forward I had no expectation that those numbers would continue.
  • Need to monitor future quarterly results to ensure growth continues at the expected rate.

Valuation

  • Based on companies new projections adjusting the end FY2023 PE to 30 rather than 40 for valuation. Valuation based on 25% increase in revenue with previous corresponding quarter and historical metrics being maintained not improved as predicted by management. Valuation at $6.39 based on this. See Strawman valuation for assumption numbers.

Personal Sediment:

  • Hold - Monitor progress for potential buy. Don't understand why the market dropped this heavily. Only hold because I am being conservative that I have missed something. If price drops further there is definitely a buying opportunity but I will wait for positive sediment in the share price.
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Valuation of $5.82
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Added 4 years ago
RBL CEO came out today (22/04/21) with a $1.25b revenue target by 2024. This land grab effort could explain the current fall in margins. So, quick and dirty valuation on RBL looking at their 2024 revenue target of $1.25b. Assumed net margin of 10% (I think this is achievable by the time 2024 rolls round as they will have more active users and a stronger pricing power) Earnings = $125m Assumed no dilution from current shares in circulation 274m Applied a PE of 22 in 2024 future share price in 2024 of $10.05 Discount this back at 20% Present Value = $5.82 Potentially more pain for RBL holders in the short term after today's sell off. Looks like some profit taking after the stellar run this past 12 months. Quick valuation is based on the CEO's word and my assumption on improving net margin.
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#To Enter S&P/ASX200 19/4/21
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Added 4 years ago

Coca-Cola Amatil Limited to be removed from the S&P/ASX 200 Index

SYDNEY, APRIL 16, 2021: S&P Dow Jones Indices announced today that it will remove Coca-Cola Amatil Limited (XASX: CCL) from the S&P/ASX 200, subject to final court approval of the scheme of arrangement whereby the company will be acquired by Coca-Cola European Partners Plc (XNYS: CCEP).

S&P Dow Jones will remove Coca-Cola Amatil Limited from the S&P/ASX 200 effective prior to the open of trading on April 22, 2021. Coca-Cola Amatil Limited will be replaced by Redbubble Limited (XASX: RBL) in the S&P/ASX 200 effective prior to the open of trading on April 22, 2021.

 

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#Ecommerce comparison
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Last edited 4 years ago

North American companies reported last week, and I thought about comparing key ecommerce companies using the metrics below.  

The metrics that I chose were:

  • Number of sellers 
  • Number of buyers 
  • Gross Transaction value (GTV)
  • Revenues 
  • Net transaction Margin (NTM) which is revenues / GTV
  • Gross Margin 
  • Operating Margin
  • Average transaction spend per buyer (GTV/ no. buyers)
  • Market Cap 
  • EV/EBITDA    

Companies

  • Etsy 
  • Shopify
  • Amazon
  • Ebay
  • Square
  • JD.com
  • Alibaba
  • Pinduoduo 
  • Kogan 
  • Redbubble  
  • Temple & Webster 
  • Adairs 

There are missing data points regarding customers and merchants especially for Amazon as they present their numbers under overall sales. Despite this, most key metrics are available for each company. I added Square just for fun, to see if they were an ecommerce company where would they fit?

An interesting insight from the data is that Redbubble has double the users of Kogan but the market cap is equivalent. The main takeaway is that Australian ecommerce companies have orders of magnitude fewer users than their American counterparts. It is perhaps the main reason why Australian ecommerce companies trade at a discount. 

Since the last straw, Etsy came out with their Q4 2020 results:

  • Increased sellers by 600k to 4.5M
  • Increased buyers by 12M to 81M
  • Increased GTV by $3.6B to $10.3B
  • Increased revenue by $600M to $1.7B (I made a mistake there, the Q3 YTD revenue was actually $1.1B not $800M mentioned in the previous straw)
  • Regardless, the result was very impressive and to me proves that Etsy is more valuable than Shopify despite fewer sellers and buyers. The margins are much better with Etsy.            
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#Redbubble vs Etsy
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Added 4 years ago

In reply to El Paso and other recent posters about their offering. 
my understanding of RBL's model is a little different  

RBL do not hold inventory. They receive payment for an order. They then place an order from third party suppliers. So they hold the money before paying both the supplier and the designer. So have the use of "free cash" to use in promoting and expanding their business. 
 

Etsy act as a marketplace. The designer/seller holds the inventory and Etsy clips the ticket of any purchase. 
 

both benefit from flywheel network effects. 
 

but agree that there is an awful lot of sh*te on the RBL and the site is a bit chaotic and bloated. 

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#Etsy Comparison
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Last edited 4 years ago

The best company to compare Redbubble is actually Etsy not Kogan. Etsy provide very similar products using ecommerce. As Etsy call their platform "the creative marketplace".

Both platforms have buyers and sellers but the difference is that the design is sold at Redbubble while the product is sold at Etsy. With Etsy you need to keep inventory while Redbubble takes care of inventory. Redbubble is more capital intensive as they have to build the product using the artist design. 

Marketplace Revenue  

Etsy = $839M as of October CY2020 (4Q will be out on Feb 25)

Redbubble = (349-180+353) = $522M as of December CY2020

So, Etsy will have ~ 2x more revenue than Redbubble prior to Q4 results, and is currently valued at $28B in the Nasdaq exchange. Redbubble's current market valuation is $1.6B, that is ~14x  valuation difference. If Redbubble was to list in the Nasdaq, it should get a much higher valuation and the valuation difference would not be as extreme.

Platform Economics 

Redbubble

  • 572K artists (sellers)
  • 6.2M customers (buyers)
  • $442M Gross transaction value

Etsy 

  • 3.5M active sellers
  • 69M active buyers (27M repeat buyers = buy more than one product)
  • $6.7B Gross transaction value

Operating Metrics 

Gross Margin (Gross Profit / Revenue)

  • Redbubble - 41% 
  • Etsy - 72% (including service revenues)

Operating Margin (EBIT / Revenue)

  • Redbubble - 12%
  • Etsy - 19% (including service revenues)

Thoughts 

In the unlikely scenario of Redbubble catching up to Etsy, I would not be surprised to see the market revalue Redbubble closer to Etsy. If that were to happen, it would mean Redbubble have become a large player in North America. Very rare to see Australian tech companies grab market share in North American markets. Looking at history, either our tech gets acquired or we get outcompeted by US tech firms with stronger network effects. 

Looking at the data, Etsy wins hands down on all metrics - they are stronger than Redbubble. However, the ecommerce market is massive and there is a strong case to be made that the TAM keeps going up as more people operate their businesses online. Thus, Redbubble can maintain growth as the market is growing faster.

Another reason to own Redbubble is a potential acquistion by a company like Etsy. Etsy has $1.15B of cash on their balance sheet and could buyout Redbubble cheaply for $2B. Shareholders should not agree if they feel Redbubble has more room to grow. Corporate consolidation is the next stage for ecommerce companies and I think if Redbubble starts stepping on Etsy's turf we could get an acquisition offer.      

In saying that, we are yet to see how Etsy performed in Q4 CY2020. Redbubble had a great (July-December) with revenues most likely coming from the last quarter (September - December) holiday period. Hence, it would not be outlandish to assume that Etsy would also have similar growth in the last quarter of 2020. Etsy could have a monster Q4 with $800M revenues which would mean $1.6B for 2020. It would extend their lead with 3x more revenues over Redbubble. If I were a Redbubble investor I would keep a very close eye on Etsy.

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#H1 Update
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Added 4 years ago

Amazing result by management 

  • $353M in marketplace revenues up 105% from 1HFY20 on constant currency basis
    • $141M is repeat purchases and $212M are first time purchases. The growth in both repeat and first time purchases was an amazing achievement by management.       
  • $144M in Gross Profit (41% Gross margin)
  • $42M in EBIT (12% operating margin)
  • $130M cash in the balance sheet 

In other words, they are printing cash with $80M positive operating casflow. Here's some more unit economics: 

  • 572K artists on the platform 
  • 6.2M customers spent $442M worth of product    
  • 41 fulfillment centres globally
  • Marketing Spend low at 12.5% MPR (which I think is Marketplace revenue)
  • 14% of revenues came from the Redbubble app. 
  • North America makes up 70% of total sales.  

Next step is to compare this result with Kogan on Feb 26

 

 

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#Fundie/Analyst Views:
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20-Nov-2020:  Ausbiz: "The Call" - Stock of the day - Redbubble (RBL)

RBL closed at $4.97 +0.43c (+9.47%) on Friday (20-Nov-2020) on their "New CEO" announcement.

From Ausbiz (on Friday):  Global print-on-demand online marketplace, Redbubble (RBL), has had a change in the big chair with former Seek exec, Michael Ilczynski who will replace Founder, Martin Hosking, who will now focus on the company's philanthropic efforts. RBL's sales have surged during he pandemic, with gross profit for Q1 surging 149% on Q1 FY20.

Today on The Call, Kochie asked his guests, Jun Bei Liu from Tribeca Investment Partners and Adam Dawes from Shaw and Partners for their views on RBL.  Jun Bei likes the company although she thinks it is something of a speculative stock.

"It's expensive and it's been growing really fast and it's absolutely been the COVID beneficiary, given people are buying masks and doing e-commerce related things.

"But I like it because the company has done very well in terms of broadening out its product range... they make a very good margin out of the products that they do. The company is trading on a free cash flow yield of 4%. This is very rare for [stocks in] the tech space."

Adam also likes RBL as a speculative prospect and the fact that it has had a recent pullback.

"It hit some highs and it's come back to $4.85. It jumped today on the announcement of that new CEO. It looks interesting.

"Most of the sectors that are contributing to [market] growth have grown over 100% year-on-year. Despite [the sales of] face mask slightly pulling back over July and through to September... their margins are fantastic."

--- click on the link at the top to view and listen to the entire conversation (this is just a sample from it) ---

--- the other 10 stocks covered on this episode of Ausbiz' "The Call" were WHC, TLT, AGH, FXL, DOU, SLC, COL, ELO, URW & OML ---

[I do not hold shares in any of those 11 companies.]

[Edit:  I do hold IFT (Infratil Ltd) and IFT holds 65.6% of TLT, so I do have indirect exposure to TLT.  Jun Bei and Adam were not keen on TLT, however they were more positive on IFT - which was added to "The Call Portfolio" in October.]

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#Q1 FY2021 update
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Added 4 years ago

Redbubble has seen an incredible change of fortune. 

Late last year, shares lost their shine after the company reported slower than expected growth due to increased price competition. The price continued to sink lower following a surprise resignation of the CEO and an underwhelming first half result in February this year.

In March, at the height of the Covid panic, shares at one point touched 40c.

Since then, shares have gained an amazing 1200%, with shares up a further 10% today to an all time record high.

Today Redbubble reported a 116% rise in maretplace revenue for the first quarter of FY2021, with Gross profit up 149%. Operating cash flow came in at $27.1m, compared with $10.2m for the same period last year (the company now has over $85m in cash).

Growth was seen across all geographies and segments, although the US (Gross transaction volume up 102%) and accessories (which i presume is things like masks, was up 562%)

You can view today's investor presentation here

 

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Valuation of $1.380
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Valuation of $1.500
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