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While looking at Gentrack to get a better idea of valuation, I thought it would be worth looking at Powercloud for a change.
On their website there is a high level overview of how everything is connected
But when I try to understand smart meters in powercloud, my question remains unanswered and they are unable to articulate their implementation.
Compare that to Gentrack which explains the smart meter strategy in more detail.
And for the techies out there, you can even call the Gentrack endpoint API
There is no documentation on endpoints in Powercloud website
Powercloud does have partners who build apps to enable customers to use the platform.
So I'm finding it harder to understand the advantages of Powercloud vs Gentrack.
I haven't compared Hansen's offering against Gentrack as I assume Hansen bought Powercloud to keep up with the changes in utility billing.
I'm hoping someone that has looked at Powercloud more closely can deep dive further. As it is hard for me to find a case to switch from Gentrack to Hansen despite the recent institution selling in Gentrack (WAM, Milford, Regal AEF have been selling)
SUMMARY
No surprises on Core Hansen business, German PowerCloud acquisition short-term financial drag was flagged and thus expected.
Pleased with progress on Hansenisation of powercloud in the short time since acquisition - it will be a good launch pad into the DACH region, once completely integrated into HSN.
powercloud expected to be Underlying EBITDA positive in Q4FY25, with Underlying EBITDA loss capped at (A$5m) and capitalised R&D capped at $A5m - expect this to be achievable given current progress and HSN’s strong record of integrating acquired businesses.
Thesis of steady, dependable growth very much intact. HSN provides my portfolio with a stable growth ballast and dividends.
Discl: Held IRL and in SM
Core Hansen, Excluding powercloud
Chugging along nicely (1) $334.7m revenue, 7.3% increase (2) Underlying EBITDA flat at $99.7m (3) Underlying EBITDA margin 26%
11 Tier 1 & 2 wins in FY24
No one customer contributes >8% revenue, customer church remains extremely low at ~1%
No surprises, both Energy & Utilities and Communications & Media verticals are travelling nicely
German powercloud Acquisition
The German powercloud acquisition has, as expected, dragged the FY24 results down (1) Revenue $18.4m (2) Underlying EBITDA ($7.4m) (3) Underlying NPAT ($10.4m) - this was previously flagged, so no surprises.
“Hansenisation” of powercloud have gone well, powercloud financials have been better than originally anticipated.
Re-signed EWE, a major powercloud customer, for another 5 years.
Initial restructuring completed with estimated annualised savings of ~$13m.
powercloud has offered a cheaper, faster more effective way to enter the German market vs the alternative option of building HSN’s billing software from scratch.
Balance Sheet
M&A
Continue to be on the lookout for M&A opportunities with the usual HSN M&A diligence
FY25 Guidance
Back to “normal” HSN trajectory
Pleased to see some “precision” in powercloud financials - EBITDA positive Q4FY25, subsiding of Underlying EBITDA losses and capped to ~A$5m, capitalised R&D capped at ~A$5m
Hansen Signs 7 Year Renewal & Upgrade Contract with a Leading European Utility
A nice win to end FY24 from the perspective of (1) a continuing long-time customer (2) a strong vote of confidence in HSN's Customer Information System (CIS) platform!
Discl: Held IRL & SM
Board Ownership
Inside Ownership Ordinary Shares %HSN Issued Net Value at $4.35
David Trude 103,801 0.05% $436K
Andrew Hansen 28,434,876 13.98% $119.426m
Lisa Pendlebury 13,869 0.01% $58K
Bruce Adams 27,891,417 13.71% $117.143m
David Osborne 28,125,448 13.83% $118.126m
Rebecca Wilson 0 0 0
David Howell 43,805 0.02% $184K
Don Rankin 25,000 0.01% $105K
Total 84,638,216 41.61% $355,480,507
Current Market Cap at $4.20 is $854.4m
Recent Selling
David Trude
· 7 May 2024 Sold 6000 shares at average price $4.75 per share ($28,500)
Board Bios
David Trude - Chairman
David Trude has extensive experience in a variety of financial services roles within the banking and securities industries. He holds a degree in commerce from the University of Queensland and is a member of many professional associations including the Stockbrokers and Financial Advisers Association of Australia and the Australian Institute of Company Directors. He is also Chairman of Baillieu Holst Limited, a Director of CHI-X Australia Limited and Director of ASX listed Acorn Capital Investment Fund and MSL Solutions Limited.
Andrew Hansen - Managing Director
Andrew is an IT executive with over 30 years of experience, including management of mid to large-size organisations, corporate development, business operations, and strategy. Until June 2023 Andrew held the role of Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director at Hansen Technologies Limited before transitioning the operational tasks of CEO to Graeme Taylor.
Andrew joined Hansen in 1990 and quickly began to transform the business and then ASX listed the company in 2000. Andrew’s IT expertise and strong business acumen have built a diversified global company delivering market-leading billing and customer care solutions in over 80 countries.
As Managing Director, Andrew now undertakes a more hands-on role in driving the strategic growth aspirations of Hansen, which includes identifying and integrating acquisition targets.
Lisa Pendlebury - Non-Executive Director
Lisa Pendlebury is a highly experienced executive who has worked in the pharmaceutical, consumer products and finance industry for more than 20 years. She started her career in investment banking at JP Morgan before moving to private equity with CVC Capital Partners. She held various roles in business development and strategy at Pacific Brands. For the last 12 years she has worked in the pharmaceutical industry at Mayne Pharma and has been an executive on the senior leadership team. Lisa has extensive experience in business development, mergers and acquisitions, corporate strategy, investor relations, financial reporting, corporate governance, remuneration and sustainability.
Lisa holds a Bachelor of Commerce and Bachelor of Science degree from the University of Melbourne. She has a CPA and holds a Graduate Diploma from the Securities Institute of Australia. She is Treasurer of EDFA, a not-for-profit organisation.
Bruce Adams - Non-Executive Director
Bruce Adams has over 25 years’ experience as a commercial lawyer. He has practised extensively in the areas of information technology law and mergers and acquisitions and has considerable experience advising listed public companies. In early 2002, after more than 10 years as a partner of two Melbourne law firms, Bruce took up a position as general counsel of Club Assist Corporation Pty Ltd, a worldwide motoring club service provider. Bruce holds degrees in Law and Economics from Monash University.
David Osborne - Non-Executive Director
David Osborne is a Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants, and a Fellow of the Australian Institute of Company Directors, with over 50 years of financial management, taxation and accounting experience in public practice. David’s experience includes having been the Audit Partner of his accounting practice and a Registered Company Auditor for over 25 years. He also has experience in the various aspects of risk management. David has a long-standing association with Hansen, having been a Board member for some years prior to the Company’s listing on the ASX in June 2000.
Rebecca Wilson - Non-Executive Director
Rebecca Wilson is an experienced company director within private, ASX listed and not-for-profit organisations. Outside of Hansen, Rebecca is currently the Non-Executive Chair of healthcare technology company, Alcidion Limited (ASX ALC), and Ai-enabled medical instrumentation business LBT Innovations (ASX LBT), and Non-Executive Director of Private UK consumer e-commerce business Ateria Health Limited. She’s also a Non-Executive Director of the Tomisich Foundation, a NFP organisation.
In her executive career, Rebecca held global leadership roles in, marketing, communications, investor relations, capital management and corporate affairs. She has extensive experience in ESG, stakeholder engagement, issues and crisis management, M&A, and investor relations across multiple industries including technology, healthcare, retail, and professional services.
Rebecca holds a BA Arts and Grad Cert in Applied Finance & Investment. She is a Graduate of AICD with AICD course certificates in Climate Governance and Ethics in the Boardroom
David Howell -Non-Executive Director
David Howell is an accomplished executive and board director across a range of industries including financial services, retail, oil marketing and social media. Notably, David led the revitalisation and strong growth of a private equity owned Australian commercial cards business (including Motorpass) leading to a successful sale to WEX Inc. As General Manager, Financial Services at Coles Myer, he substantially influenced debit and credit card reform in the Australian payments industry. David is also Chairman of Littlepay, an Australian Fintech and Board Director and Advisor for Tiger Pistol Pty Ltd, a social media advertising technology business.
Don Rankin - Non-Executive Director
Don Rankin joined the Hansen Technologies Board in 2019. He was one of the founding partners of Pitcher Partners and National Chairman of the Pitcher Partners Association for 11 years. Don currently sits on the Executive Council of the Victorian Chamber of Commerce and Industry and in the past was its President for three years.
With over thirty years’ experience advising private and family businesses across a broad range of industries, he specialises particularly in assisting clients in the management, growth and evolution of their business. Don sits on a number of Family Board Advisory Committees.
Assumed 3 Scenarios of Growth ranging from Bullish 12.5% to 5% over 5 year period. Assumed Profit Margins 15% and share count growing at 2% per year. Discounted at 10% blended the scenarios together I get $5.11.
Hansen's share price has tumbled n the last couple of weeks.
There has been an announcement re management changes. I didn't see any particular reason for concern in that news.
Am I missing something?
The price is down ~5% today. plumbing 52 week lows. Three year lows in fact.
Has anyone got thoughts/insights on the situation?
Ord Minnett had a buy under $6.80 (a couple of weeks ago)
Morningstar $4.63.
Thanks team
Relevant for GTK too.
Looks like another competitor and to win over AGL they must do something different - not sure who has lost the contract.
Announcement - ASX Release - Retail Transformation Program
Finally got round to reviewing the position with HSN and determining what action to take.
Discl: Held IRL and in SM
1HFY24 Summary
powercloud Acquisition Feb 2024
Market has been spooked by the powercloud acquisition in Feb 2024
The strategic rationale for the acquisition makes sense (1) buying a robust, modern and entrenched suite of complementary billing software (2) opens access to the broader DACH region markets (3) at a stage in powercloud’s maturity that will benefit from the more robust Hansen discipline and processes to become more efficient and hence more profitable
Downside:
HSN has a strong proven record of successfully integrating acquisitions into the broader HSN business - this acquisition should be no different. Must however, sit through the risk of margin dilution in the next 12-18M before powercloud can be fully earnings accretive.
Current Position and Action
Broker Research Report from RBC Capital Markets Feb 2024
Price target 5.60 (downgrade from 6.50)
The report is a bit old (from 21 Feb 2024) but does include the most recent result
Pulling out the important bits
Thought this was a strong 1H result with EPS up 8.7% and EPSA at $0.133 and net cash. FCF of $18.3M but looked like $19.7M (Normalizing for borrowings (net cash before acquisition). Say $20M or $40M annualised roughly.
Market obviously disappointed with the impact of powercloud on margins in the first year - short sighted assuming HSN continues their track record with integrating acquisitions and margins recover.
FY25 if we HSN gets to annualized $430M revenue and margins recover to 28% = EBITDA of $120M. Would be net cash then too i imagine again - against current market cap of ~$1B for a sticky company.
Still wish they'd stop with the partially franked dividend. Pay out the franking credits and keep the rest for acquisitions or buybacks.
Anyway happy to hold but guess have to wait 12 months before any significant rerate now. Any rate cut and imagine would look attractive. Imagine there'll be another acquisition soon enough. Always the possibility of a takeover offer too again at some point if it stays around here.
The long waited for acquisition, not as large as I was expecting would be able to pay it off rather quickly. Not much on prior earnings and seems to be mostly customers in Germany -announcements.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20240213/pdf/060bb98h2rqkj6.pdf
Would also add there's comfort in that it's an existing vertical - will find out more tomorrow.
My bull case for HSN is after the last few years of deleveraging they are due an acquisition which I believe will be a catalyst for a rerate. I'd be surprised if there is no acquisition this year, more likely in the next few months.
While we wait HSN should generate roughly $50M in free cash flow on about a $1 billion market cap equating to around a 5%+ FCF yield. For a defensive, sticky client business i think this is reasonable especially if we get rate cuts at some point in the next 24 months.
The share price has been consolidating also recently. I do wish they'd cut the unfranked dividend and use it for buybacks or to fund the acquisition
It's not the highest quality serial acquirer as highlighted in the attributes here on page 19 - req.no/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/REQ-Deep-Dive-Acquisition-driven-Compounders-December-2023.pdf - but still decent.
Per AFR:
Listed billing software business Hansen Technologies’ managing director and heir Andrew Hansen was out shopping a $37.8 million slice in the company after market close on Tuesday.
Hansen mandated stockbroker Henslow to sell 7 million shares held by the family at $5.40 apiece or a 1.3 per cent discount to the last traded price. Bids into block trade were due 6pm, with allocations expected to be done be 6:30pm.
Street Talk understands a couple of domestic and overseas fund managers lapped up the stock. Sources said the family had tried to sell on Monday evening via another broker but failed to get it away.
It comes five days after Hansen posted a 5.2 per cent increase in operating revenue to $311.8 million for the 2023 financial year and a marginal 2.1 per cent increase in after-tax profit to $42.8 million.
The company was founded by Ken Hansen in 1971 and has been led by his son Andrew Hansen, who recently shed the CEO title but retained the managing director role.
The younger Hansen owned 17.48 per cent of the company’s shares on issue via his entity Othonna Pty Ltd before Tuesday evening’s trade. A change in substantial shareholding notice should be on its way to the ASX.
Discl: Held IRL
THE GOOD
Revenue
Cash Flow and Debt
FY24 Outlook
Acquisition Pipeline
NOT SO GOOD
WATCH & RISKS
FY24 seems set up to be a year of acquisition as (1) opportunities increase with the current macro challenges globally and in EMEA where HSN has a big footprint (2) decks have been cleared from a debt perspective to build the war chest to fund acquisitions - need to watch that the acquisitions make sense - excellent track record in this respect, so risks are very low
SUMMARY
Positives
Minuses
Things to Watch Out for for 2HFY23
Other Observations
Red Flag Risks
Portfolio Positioning
Discl: Hold 1.1% IRL
· May 2019 Sigma Systems A$166.2m - is a leading global provider of catalog-driven software products for telecommunications, media, and high-tech companies. Its software is designed to streamline complex product and service offerings and provide a faster path to creating, selling and delivering new digital products and services, combined and packaged with traditional core services. https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20190501/pdf/444rsmyk6f5pdx.pdf
· July 2017 Enoro A$96m - the Nordic market leading provider of Customer Information Systems (CIS) and Meter Data Management (MDM) systems for the energy sector. https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20170703/pdf/43kcjqf8p59sr8.pdf
· November 2016 HiAffinity – acquire DST Billing solutions limted, which owns the HiAffinity customer care and billing system (“HiAffinity”). HiAffinity is focused on the water billing industry with clients in the UK, Australia, Africa and Americas. https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20161101/pdf/43ckkj71f0w0z2.pdf
· July 2016 PPL Solutions – provides billing, business processing outsourcing (“BPO”), call centre and information technology services to competitive electric and gass suppliers and regulated utilities in the US. https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20160701/pdf/4388vgwgq7w41p.pdf
· May 2015 TeleBilling – a company based in Demark. TeleBilling is a customer care and billing solution provider. https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20150512/pdf/42yjbccmgwjg23.pdf
· May 2014 Customer Suite (CIS) the utilities billing and customer care business of Ventyx. https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20140516/pdf/42pnknyzklmqsc.pdf
· March 2013 Utilisoft Australia - proprietary electricity and gas market access technology includes software solutions for real-time energy market interaction and transaction data management for generators, traders, retailers and other participants in the Australian energy market. https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20130304/pdf/42dfl1r925tlwh.pdf
· Jan 2013 buys Irdeto Inc’s Customer Central Pay TV billing and customer care product division. https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20130102/pdf/42c7mm8l2svxq9.pdf
· Nov 2010 NirvanaSoft provider of proprietary software for complex billing solutions to electricity and Gas utilities in north America https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20101103/pdf/31tn4bg5fr9ld2.pdf
Note: Previous Acquisition to 2010 have not be in included
@ArrowTrades -- yeah I used to hold, but sold down earlier in the year purely because I thought there were better risk/reward opportunities. I still think it's a solid company, but growth options are largely predicated on acquisitions, with minimal organic growth potential (something management acknowledged at the latest results), and I'm not sure shares represent great value (not that they are expensive, just not as cheap as I'd like for me to switch out capital from other places).
There's nothing wrong with this picture. The business has very reliable cash flows and has been diligently reducing leverage while continuing to pay dividends.
But while 5.4% average profit growth is perfectly decent, it's not spectacular. And a PE of 18 or a yield of 2.4% isnt enough to tempt me back right now.
That being said, it's a very low risk company, and a good 'under the mattress' holding for dividend focused investors.
Hi Andrew @Strawman
Any thoughts on the HSN update and market reaction yesterday? I think it was one you used to follow if I recall correctly.
Moving average down price range:
Buy at $5.5
Sell at $6.5
Perhaps a good reminder that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush -- especially when it comes to unsolicited, conditional, non-binding, indicative takeover proposals from private equity companies.
Shareholders (like myself) had the chance to sell out at ~$6.20 on market for months, but didnt because of the extra 5% they'd get if the deal went through (or perhaps hopes for a higher bid from somewhere else, although there was no hint of another interested party). Of course, if it didnt, there was a pretty decent downside potential.
A unanimous endorsement by the board and a co-operation agreement with Managing Director Andrew Hansen made it seem (to me at least) more certain than it clearly was, but this was clearly a mistake.
Not that it makes a huge difference, the business is doing well (FY21 saw a record profit and the business reckons it's on target to get to $500m in revenue in FY25 -- up from $300m today). So i'm still happy to hold my (relatively small) position.
If you ignore the entire takeover affair, shares are still well up in the last few years and I think shares are trading at reasonable prices. (assuming HSN hits it's targets)
It's just that I regret missing the opportunity to sell out at a bit of premium, and i think the Hansen team were too eager with BGH's approach and have doubtless wasted a lot of time and money with what was ultimately a big distraction.
Hansen has proven to be very reslient in the face of covid, as you would hope given the core role it plays for utility customers.
Revenue rose 30%, while EBITDA and NPATA were up 34% and 41% respectively. On a per share basis, earnings were 40% higher at 23.9c (on a NPATA basis, which excludes non-cash amortisation of acquired customer lists).
Hansen paid out 10c in dividends (including a 2c special dividend) in FY20. That represents a 46% payout ratio and puts it on a trailing 2.5% yield (exc. Special div).
The company also managed to pay down a chunk of debt, reducing the total by 23%. (Sigma was entirely debt funded)
Free cash flow was really strong at $44m, only just behind the reported NPATA of $47.4m, and almost 50% above FY19.
This big jump in profits was due to the acquisition of Sigma last year -- the biggest purchase in the company's history (being debt funded, there was no material increase in the share count). Organic revenue growth was only 2.9%.
Overall, these results came in slightly better than I expected (see previous Straws), and have underscored the quality of the business and management.
This is a company that is all about growth by acquisitions -- something that should normally make you nervous. But Hansen have been doing this for 20 years, creating significnat wealth for shareholders over that time and reinforcing a strong competitive position.
They are good at what they do.
Although organic growth is usually around single digit levels, the revenue generated is very reliable and high margin (16% net margin).
Over the past 5 years, per share earnings have compounded at an average annual rate of growth of 16% and i think low double digit growth is likely for the next 5 years.
Happy to continue holding this for many more years, with a view to accumulate more whenever the market worries over short term factors.
Results presentation is here
FY19 was weaker as forecast by the company, and with the substantial acquisition of Sigma contributing only 1 month's worth of earnings.
Overall, sales were essentially flat, or down 1.9% excluding Sigma. Nevertheless, recurring revenues were up modestly.
Underlying NPATA was 12.8% lower (Hansen traditionally ignores the amortisation charges of acquired intangibles, such as customer lists, which I think is reasonable given it's retention)
The expense base was flat, and are expected to reduce in the coming years thanks to the investment in the vietnam development centre.
Looking ahead, management said they expect revenue to grow by ~33% and EBITDA to grow by ~32% due to a full year contribution from Sigma. Accounting for new shares, and all else being equal, that should transalte into FY20 EPS of roughly 22cps.
Full ASX results presentation is here
Hansen today announced the acquisition of Canadian catalog software provider Sigma.
ASX Investor presentation is here
The purchase will be paid for in cash, will cost $166.2m and is being funded by a new $225m credit facility from RBC Capital markets.
The cost represents an EV/EBITDA multiple of 8.3 -- which is far from cheap for a privately held company, and only slightly below what Hansen itself trades for (it's on a EV/EBITDA of 9.1, using the trailing 12 months of EBITDA).
It was also purchased of a Private Equity company -- Birch Hill -- which has owned the business since 2015. And that's often a poor sign (PE companies seldom make any long term capital investments into businesses they run, and simply look to dress up the metrics and then flick to a new buyer...)
The strategic rationale is that it significantly expands Hansens exposure to the Telco industry -- more than doubling the proportion of revenue it derives from this sector. Moreover, Hansen reckon it will give them significant cross sell opportunities into its Energy and PayTV customer relationships. Sigma's product sits adjascent or withing Hansen's core billing and Customer management offerings.
The acquisition is expected to be EPS accretive -- excluding the amortisation of acquired intangibles (such as customer lists).
Hansen is extremely well practiced at making acquisitions -- its done loads of them -- but this is definitely a material purchase. Based on the trailing 12 months of operating earnings, Sigma should boost Hansen's EBITDA by ~28% (all else being equal).
So very positive from that standpoint. The risks, though, are that it will be difficult to integrate, will require a lot of investment, they dont achieve the cross sell benefits they expect, there could be writedowns to carrying value if the business underperforms.
The first half result was pretty ordinary in comparison to the previoius corresponding period, with Revenue down 5% and NPAT down 28%.
That being said, management had previously flagged a drop in the full year revenue and has still reiterated guidance.
Relative to the preceeding half (H2 2018) revenue was flat and profit up 18%. Thus the operating margin has improved half on half, from 22.7% to 25.3%.
Debt was further reduced, leaving the business with only $0.6m in net debt.
The market's reaction has been brutal, but I don't see any structural issues wth the business. Just a re-rate based on lower than expected growth, which isnt unreasonable. I'm also lowering my valuation.
As of Friday's close ($3.03), shares are on an PE of 17.8 and a yield of 2%.