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Over and above the usual familiar results content that C79 puts out, picked up a few interesting points in the Annual Report and Rem Review which gave me confidence that C79 were/are very much focused on the deployment issues and the operational risks around counterparties, risks of conflicts etc.
Thesis and high-conviction very much intact!
Disc: Held IRL and in SM
FY24 felt like a year of customer, deployment and operational consolidation/reality check/learnings followed by a deliberate re-base lining of market expectations of the pace of deployment to ensure a more sustainable cadence vs the FY23 over-excitement of “straight-line”-like deployment plans. This is a good thing from a long-term investment perspective.
Despite this, C79 grew significantly in terms of revenue (69%) and EBITDA (156%) and Photon Assay technology uptake via growth in samples undertaken.
Starting to see more traction in securing sales for new units - 4 new sales, post EOFY - very good to see - this also spreads out the customer base and allows for acceleration of parallel installations
No funding issues in the horizon - strong balance sheet, cash $61.1m, undrawn debt of $95m, ensuring funding for ~39 units
14 units ready-to-be-deployed removes any supply chain risk for FY25 deployments
FY25 guidance is for (1) 25% to 45% YoY revenue growth and (2) a potential doubling of EBITDA
Review of Annual Report provides evidence that the Board is very focused on the deployment of units, CEO was not awarded STI’s relating rate of deployment units. While you would expect this focus, good to see clear evidence in the Annual Report.
Expecting a controlled, deployment-focused FY2025 which will then translate directly to revenue and EBITDA growth - this will be much more sustainable going forward - “steady high growth”
Upside could well come from (1) a faster rate of units deployed as the company learns and adapts to the site-related challenges faced in FY24 (2) Continued traction in samples as technology uptake further embeds, directly leading to Additional Assay Charges
FINANCIALS
BALANCE SHEET, FUNDING
Cash $61.1m, $95m CBA debt facility undrawn - enough funding to deploy about ~39 units
DEPLOYMENT
NEW SALES
4 more units contracted post period - good to see some traction in new sales - ongoing focus on diversifying the customer base to accelerate installations.
Deepening relationship with one of the world’s biggest lab, SGS, following last year’s partnership with Barrick Gold
OPERATIONS, TECHNOLOGY UPTAKE
Sample volume growth continues to grow indicating increasing uptake of Photon Assay technology - 4.31m samples in FY24, 29% increase over FY23
22 consecutive quarters of record sample volumes
Unit costs have decreased by 10% YoY - impact of hubbing strategy, increased in-house maintenance, less reliance on 3rd party providers - reflected in gross margin of ~76%
Non-APAC revenue now 55% of revenue, up from 33% in FY23 - reflects increased global market penetration
EMERGING RISKS
Counterparty risk - non-performance of counterparty, concentration risk around counterparty, operating in some jurisdictions which are at a higher risk of geopolitical unrest, bribery, corruption, modern slavery and crime
Risks of Conflict - Chrysos operates in countries adjacent to or where conflicts may occur between nations or other entities, encompassing the possibility of diplomatic breakdowns, territorial disputes, ideological conflicts, and resource competition that may escalate into armed confrontations. This means Chrysos’ ability to control and operate its assets in these territories may be impacted, which may, in turn, lead to impacts on profitability and loss of assets.
FY25 GUIDANCE
Total Revenue range of $60m to $70m - between 25% to 45% growth from FY24 $48.1m
EBITDA range of $9m to $19m - between 0% to 110% growth from FY24 $9.0m - this is a wide range
My thoughts on C79's Appendix 4C and the Friday SM Meeting:
SM MEETING SUMMARY
APPENDIX 4C
Positives
Disappointments
Takeaways
In taking a step back and looking at the last 2 FY's, there is:
I think the mistake that management made was to set up overly unrealistic expectations of a rapid deployment of units. This may got the market overly-excited as revenue and EBITDA would similarly follow and the market got ahead of itself. Since management tempered expectations earlier this year, the market and share price has similar cooled.
Interestingly also, since 2QFY24, management has no longer provided clear guidance on how many units it intends to deploy in the upcoming quarter and FY and has now switched focus to revenue, EBITDA and industry technology uptake metrics.
But taking this step back and in digesting Dirk's comments in the Friday SM meeting, other than the earlier unrealistic expectations, I remain very comfortable that C79 is actually travelling very nicely and that my thesis is actually very much intact and is currently playing out.
The only change is in my expectations is that the deployment of new units will continue to be a steady 1-unit-at-a-time march, rather than a multi-unit rapid deployment that I thought would be the approach a year or so ago.
FY25 GUIDANCE
ACTION
The C79 price is now in the middle of a decent buying zone and will look to be topping up on weakness below $5.00 in the coming weeks. Will keep some powder dry to top up further if the price falls below $4.00, although I can't quite see this happening given that the FY24 results to be released should not provide any surprises following the recent Appendix C.
Reviewing the C79 chart position:
Timing is interesting as we are not far away from a Trading Update, then the Appendix 4C. The price feels like it is "neutrally positioned" for the results given that C79 has downgraded guidance for the number of deployments in FY24, and hence revenue.
Any negativity against guidance could see a drop towards 3.96-4.27 (I would be topping up at that level). A better than expected deployment update could see it spike upwards towards ~7.29. If it goes as guided, the price will probably bounce around ~6.00, I suspect
Discl: Held IRL and in SM
SUMMARY
GOOD
NOT GOOD
RISKS
GUIDANCE FY24
BETTER FINANCIAL GRANULARITY
Had a quick look through the C79 preso pack for a Site Visit in PER, released today. There are some new slides which provide more insights on the PhotonAssay technology, the ESG benefits and the typical economics lifecycle, which I found very useful.
Discl: Held IRL and in SM
How Does PhotonAssay Work
Hitting samples with high-energy X-rays, PhotonAssayTM causes excitation of atomic nuclei allowing enhanced analysis of gold, silver, copper and other elements in as little as two minutes.
Speed and ESG benefits of PhotonAssay are quite stark.
Unit Economics
This is a really good slide on the per-unit Capex spend cycle which will improve the understanding of the cashflow profile and underlying economics.
Future Opportunities
Not the immediate focus. Lots of yet-to-be-tapped pathways for future growth once the gold-related TAM shrinks over time.
My notes from the Investor call this morning and the announcements. Overall, nothing really new as most were already revealed during the release of the Appendix 4C in Jan. Its all about getting the FY24 deployment of 18 units back on track.
Expense watch items:
Discl: Held IRL and in SM
Built the attached xls to line up the Statutory P&L and the Management View side-by-side as I found myself getting knotted up with the movement in the numbers from Half-to-Half, Qtr to Qtr and some of the numbers in the preso. Building the sheet also forced a deeper dive into the P&L which I found very helpful.
My notes, including points raised on the brief-as-usual investor call this morning. I have had direct experience as a customer having customer-end contractual responsibility to prepare a site for a big installation of equipment by vendors - power, network, fire suppression, level concrete floors etc.. So I relate very much to the challenges that C79 are having at mine-site deployments and believe they will be sorted/pre-empted as C79 gains more experience deploying at mine sites.
Discl: Held IRL and in SM
SUMMARY
GOOD
WATCH ITEMS
NEW RISK
GUIDANCE FY24
Lower-end of forecast range of $48m to $58m - adopting a conservative approach and flagging the emerging risk that 18 units may not be deployed in FY24, some of these deployments may only be finalised in 1QFY25, expect to increase deployment at the tail end of the FY
Confident with retaining FY24 EBITDA forecast of $7m to $17m, middle to lower of that range - expecting operational efficiencies from operational hubs, costs are saved when deployments are delayed
OTHER POINTS
SECURES ADDITIONAL $65m DEBT FACILITY
Can't help but feel that some big announcements are in the pipeline following the recent partnership announcement with Barrick Gold as this amount of secured funding allows from some big things to happen ...
Discl: Held IRL and in SM
Following the post from @Bear77 on the soaring gold price, the ABS released this quarters Australian Mineral Exploration spend today.
Gold exploration spend is on a roll which can only be good news for C79 as additional sampling over and above the minimum contracted photon-assay unit monthly cost is all upside revenue and profitability.
Discl: Held IRL and in SM
Australian Super has been busy accumulating 1.47% of C79 between Aug 2023 and mid-Nov 2023 at very attractive prices ranging from $4.91 to $6.29.
Ah ... if only I had bought more back then ...
Discl: Held IRL and in SM
Having gone through a flurry of capital raises over the years, I finally looked up ASX Listing Rule 7.1 which governs capital raises and learnt something new. This is probably nothing new for the more experienced members, but posting in case it helps anyone - it certainly opened my eyes!
Am forced to enter a company name for this post as there is no "general" category ...
To raise more than 15%, rule 7.1A kicks in and is significantly more onerous:
Full document: https://www.asx.com.au/documents/rules/gn21_chapter_7_restrictions.pdf
Takeaways for me:
Like many retail investors, I am admittedly wired up to "dislike capital raises", almost by default. However, having experienced 4 capital placements in the last 2-ish months, I can sense my thinking and emotions gradually changing to not instinctively dislike, but to assess each raise on its own merits.
Being the cricket tragic that I am, to use cricketing analogies:
The C79 Placement
Use of Funds
My Thoughts
Things are coming together very nicely for C79 - sales conversion, deployment momentum, product improvements, improving of manufacturing capacity, supply chain resilience.
Discl: Held IRL
Very positive ASX announcement this morning. The market was and still is clearly excited (as am I!):
What is Significant
What Is Unclear
Have written to C79 Investor Relations seeking clarification on this topic - I suspect the wording was left somewhat vague given that the deal (if there is to be a deal), is very much in the mix, but not committed yet. This may explain why this was not price sensitive news today.
Discl: High Conviction Holding IRL
Attended the C79 call on their 1QFY24 Appendix 4C. It was the usual short call as C79 has a standard set of clear slides with changed numbers each quarter ... a good thing!
Built a simple xls to summarise the key metrics from the 4C that I need to watch, based on the various discussions here. Rather than take a YoY comparison, which for C79, is really no longer impressive or relvant, really, as it is marching forward in a clearly defined trajectory, have taken (1) a forward looking view against the mid-point of FY24 guidance, where the guidance was provided (2) QoQ trend for those metrics which provide a "rule-thy-world with PhotonAssay" perspective eg. Samples processed and (3) QoQ trend of key watch areas - funding and employment cost.
It does give a more balanced perspective of the risks as @RhinoInvestor rightfully pointed out, vs merely focusing on the wonderful by-definition revenue % increases, which masks future issues. The call with Dirk also provided valuable background context which makes these figures that much more meaningful.
Discl: High conviction holding IRL
GOOD
NOT SO GOOD
Nothing to not like
TO WATCH
My notes from the very good conversation with Dirk Treasure, Founder and CEO of C79. I walked away with a much deeper understanding of the business, financially and operationally, which has made me further appreciate the quality of the business in terms of TAM/customers, moat and economics.
One new risk that crystallised for me is geo-political risk. Some of the units are being deployed in nasty reas of the world - if trouble brews, the carefully laid out deployment schedules and associated revenue impacts will be impacted.
Discl: My conviction on C79 has increased further and I topped up IRL a bit after the meeting as the price dipped closer to $6 today. In topping up, I was taking a leaf from Ian Cassel's wisdom where he said that he has fared better when he averages UP on his high conviction companies then averaging down. Have held C79 since Dec 2022, price has done very well since, so averaging up is not as painful now vs starting a new position altogether.
HISTORY
OVERVIEW OF PHOTON-ASSAY UNIT
TOTAL ADDRESSABLE MARKET
PATENTS, TECHNOLOGY/IP MOAT
SCALABILITY
FINANCING
R&D IMPROVEMENTS
UTILISATION OF TECHNOLOGY
MACRO INFLUENCES
DEPLOYMENT CYCLE
RISKS
KEY TAKEAWAY THAT MARKET STRUGGLES WITH
Did a bit more work this evening and updated the C79 cashflow outlook for FY24
Made the following changes to the cash flow xls of 3 weeks ago:
The cash position at end-FY24 is now looking to be a SHORTFALL of ($1.3m) vs the earlier calculated cash surplus of $29.8m.
There will be ~$20.2m of debt still available at the end of FY24. This can fund ~4.9 FY25 deployment units, which given the FY24 plan, is ~1 Quarter's worth of FY25 deployment.
Funding is thus in place for ~42.9 (20 FY23 + 18 FY24 + 4.9 FY25) of the 49 contracted units.
The CBA facility size thus seems to make good sense, noting that it is contracted when the interest rate cycle has been on the up. A new loan facility sometime mid-FY24 is probably on the cards when the interest rate cycle should hopefully be on its way down. This should cover FY25 + new contracts beyond the current 49.
I do not see any capital raise occurring due purely to operational funding gaps. Indeed, given the high visibility of revenue, costs and funding needs, it will probably be a huge management red flag if they do not get the funding right ...
An opportunistic capital raise, similar to AD8, could be something to look out for in 3Q/4Q FY24, if the share price spikes to say $10-12 from the current ~$6 as a cheaper/more effective way of raising capital vs debt. This could be based on a better-than-expected revenue trajectory and/or a surge in newly contracted sales or expanded breadth of use of the Assay units.
Am happy that I now have a simplistic cash flow model against which to track the cash position during FY24!
Hope this makes sense.
Remaining very bullish on C79 and looking for the opportunity to top up.
@RhinoInvestor , your post got me thinking a bit more deeply about the cashflow for C79 and challenged my bullishness! I knocked up a back-of-envelope cash flow xls to clarify my thought process, hoping it helps answer some of your questions/thoughts.
This super raw calcs point to the min cash surplus end-FY2024 to be shy of $30m, meaning, there should be no need for further drawdown of the CBA facility in FY2024.
Extrapolating into FY25, the Cash surplus of $29.8m should fund roughly 13.67 units in FY2025 without the need for debt. As of now, C79 has 11 units contracted to be deployed in FY2025 (49 contracted less 20 deployed less 18 FY24). Assuming no further sales (highly improbable), C79's cash balance will fund the remaining 11 units for FY25 without resorting to debt.
The $21.5m undrawn facility will, on its own, fund slightly under 10 units. If these 10 units were contracted for delivery in FY2025, total units that need to be deployed in FY25 will be 21 - more or less the same as FY23 and FY24, very much in the ball park.
So, as of now, it appears that it is not unreasonable to conclude that C79 is well funded up to end FY2025 to deploy 21 units through a mixture of debt and cash. With locked in contracts, clear visibility of revenue and cash inflows that stretch into FY25, with funding available for 10 new contracts, I think this is as certain as it will get that C79 will have no reason to capital raise.
I think the key point is the progressive increase in MMAP which flows through as soon as a unit is deployed, so each deployment results in a contracted step up of revenue and cash flow. This is what makes C79 highly attractive in my view.
Completely happy to be corrected on the thought process and assumptions. It helped clear my head a bit anyway!
Discl: Held IRL, looking to top up on weakness
A good set of results from C79. My conviction has increased with each quarter and will be looking to top up on weakness.
Discl: Held IRL (trade did not close on SM)
GOOD
Financials
Cash Position
Operations
FY24 Guidance
NOT SO GOOD
Nothing to not like - it was a solid result and guidance, with a good degree of certainty of being achievable
WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR
SUMMARY
Solid result with good forward visibility
It is all about deployment excellence in deploying the new PhotonAssay units - everything else follows from that - good momentum and track record thus far inspires confidence
C79 came out of a 2 day Trading Halt followed by a 1 day Voluntary Suspension in response to the ASX Speeding Ticket as the price rocketed from from a close of $4.95 on Wednesday, 9 August 2023 to a high of $6.10 on Tuesday, 15 August 2023 following daily increases starting on Thursday, 10 August 2023.
Was super pleased with this price rocket as I topped up at $4.95 on Wed 9 Aug ...
No new news or announcements in C79’s response to the ASX speeding ticket. Not unsurprising as C79 is well capitalised, so there was little risk of a capital raise or share placement.
2 points that I took away from the announcement, that I did not fully appreciate before, in italics:
Any minesite deployment/re-deployment or sales win will be more positive news vs a laboratory-win.
Further buying in to C79 of larger funds, which will increase coverage of C79
SUMMARY
Remaining very bullish on C79.
My review and summary of C79's Q4FY23 result announcement of last week. Text in italics are my comments, the rest are extracts from the Appendix 4C announcement and preso.
Discl: Held IRL looking to top up this week and open position with SM
KEY TAKEAWAYS
Summary of Announcement and Presentation
Deployment Progress
CashFlow Summary
FY24 Guidance
My notes on Chrysos Corporation C79. Nice to see the connection between XRF and C79 in the XRF investor packs and in the XRF chat this week. The price has tipped past $4.00 from a low of around $3.00, not too many weeks ago. C79 was also included in the All Ordinaries index on 20 Mar 2023 - the upward movement in price and trade volume in and around this date was quite noticeable.
Disclosure: Held IRL
BUSINESS
INVESTMENT THESIS
1. Strong Technology Moat
Assay expenditure is a non-discretionary operating cost for gold miners - embedded in the mining value chain as sampling is required at each step of the chain
2. Large & Unpenetrated TAM - Good and Visible Growth Runway
3. Good Revenue and Earning Visibility
4. Cash Flow Positive, Well Funded
5. Future Growth Opportunities
RISKS TO THESIS
WATCH AREAS
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