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As I continue to digest and assess the content of last week’s $WTC Investor Day, while much of the press attention has focused on the implementation of the New Commercial Model, the session that impressed me most was the discussion on AI implementation.
I’ve decided to pull out a separate straw on this, because I think it may be of interest not only to those following $WTC, but also to the wider community interested in how firms are deriving value from AI.
WiseTech’s AI strategy is built around narrow, specialised agentic AI, deeply embedded into CargoWise workflows, rather than broad, general-purpose models. Guardrails and human-in-the-loop verification are core design principles.
$WTC is scoping many potential AI agents. However, three are already “live” and can be accessed via the new Value Packs with 100% transaction-based pricing:
Each of these was described in detail at the Investor Day and provides evidence of how $WTC’s massive proprietary dataset, combined with LLMs’ ability to structure, process and reason over text-based data, can materially reduce the high labour content in existing freight forwarding, import and export processes.
Let’s look at each in turn.
AI-native document ingestion replaces manual data entry and OCR-based bolt-on tools.
Example impact:
Accuracy is high, driven by:
From the Q&A discussion: accuracy is improving while labour is being removed, and this improvement is not being traded off against risk.
Across global jurisdictions, numerous controls restrict parties, locations and categories of goods.
AI agents assess export risk across:
The AI effectively acts as a virtual compliance officer: jurisdiction-specific, always-on, and capable of scanning all available information against known restrictions and risk factors, flagging issues for human review.
Performance achieved:
A core role of freight forwarders is ensuring goods are correctly classified. This task is exceptionally complex due to:
As a result, classification remains one of the most labour-intensive parts of the process.
$WTC’s AI agent is now able to complete ~90% of the classification work, leaving brokers to verify and submit (human in the loop).
Industry benchmarks:
Pilot results: customers using the $WTC AI agent are reporting ~90% accuracy.
Importantly, narrow agent design and embedding regulatory data from $WTC databases (e.g. BorderWise) materially reduces the risk of AI hallucinations.
Richard White gave an illustrative example of a UPS business unit with 19 human classifiers and 1 supervisor. The AI agent is capable of performing the work of the 19 classifiers, leaving the supervisor to check and verify outputs as the only future required labour for this process.
As with many enterprise software firms, $WTC is also developing AI-based customer service agents. The WiseTech agent is called ACE, supported by content from the WiseTech Academy.
Although ACE is only one month old (“a baby”, in management’s words), it is already being trained on ~20,000 historical support tickets where humans previously sent specific training materials to customers. Management estimates this could free up the equivalent of ~18 product managers currently involved in this work, allowing them to be redeployed into product development.
Finally, $WTC is also using AI internally to assist with code writing and testing.
These latter applications have quickly become ubiquitous across enterprise software, so there was little basis to assess whether $WTC is meaningfully ahead or behind peers in these areas.
Richard White believes that rolling out AI agents within CargoWise and related products has the potential to reduce customer labour requirements by ~50% over two years. This is a bold claim - characteristic of RW’s visionary style - but the examples demonstrated so far lend it credibility. Time will tell.
It is difficult to overstate the complexity of freight classification and compliance. In another Investor Day session, Anthony Hardenburgh (Product Portfolio Leader, Global Trade Management) noted that across markets and products, $WTC handles ~73 million regulatory and data updates annually, all of which must be incorporated into its systems. This scale is far beyond what humans can manage alone and is precisely the type of problem suited to AI. It appears $WTC is leaning into this opportunity in earnest.
$WTC’s approach centres on carefully scoped, narrowly defined AI agents, tightly integrated into workflows. Management described a common AI agent architecture with an abstraction layer that allows A/B testing of different LLMs and rapid swapping as models improve and leap-frog each other.
Early labour reduction from AI is expected to occur primarily in lower-skill roles, many of which logistics firms have already offshored to shared-service centres. Remaining staff, employees of $WTC’s customers, will become more skilled and more valuable as supervisors of AI agents.
There was discussion around whether customers could build their own AI layers and bypass $WTC’s products. Management acknowledged this was possible and that some customers might see benefits. However, CEO Zubin emphasised that software development and workflow integration are WiseTech’s core expertise, and that embedding AI directly into CargoWise should deliver superior outcomes, because only $WTC has access to the source code and databases. That confidence seems reasonable, though real-world results will ultimately decide.
AI adoption across large enterprise SaaS companies has become a central part of the investment thesis for my technology holdings over the past few years. The use cases showcased by $WTC are exactly the types of applications I was hoping to see, and it is encouraging that early solutions are now "live" with customers - particularly the 95% of largely small customers who have gone "live" on the new Value Packs, potentially a strong incentive for the LGFFs to follow quickly!
It will be particularly interesting to track adoption and realised benefits over the next one to two years.
This also underscores why $WTC had to move from “seat plus module” pricing to per-transaction pricing. Despite the noise surrounding the transition, there was really no alternative. Labour hours per shipment are about to be materially reduced, while shipments-per-seat should increase dramatically as these capabilities are adopted by customers. $WTC had to get ahead of that curve.
Overall, I was very impressed by the presentations, the examples, and indeed the presenters themselves. I was glad to see that $WTC are indeed doing what I expect them to be doing. It was good to learn the facts, rather than just hold the thesis!
Disc: Held
Just finished reading AFR article on WiseTech’s new pricing model. Early read: if you’re a customer actively using the product, you’re probably going to be paying more under the new structure.
I’m really interested to see how this plays out over the next 12–24 months. WiseTech has always had that mission-critical, sticky footprint. Once it’s in, it’s hard to rip out , so they’ve got the leverage to push pricing. But the flip side is whether customers start pushing back, especially larger ones who may suddenly see a step change in cost.
Could end up being a quiet tailwind for revenue… or spark some noise if the increases bite too hard. Worth watching!
Raelene Murphy will join the Board of $WTC from beginning 2026.
A seasoned ASX Non-Exec, Ms Murphy has significant experience chairing Audit and Risk Committees.
My guess is that she will likely succeed Andrew Harrison as Lead Independent Director, when the governance rebuild is complete. Andrew indicated at the AGM that he does not intend to serve his 3-year term, and will stand down once the goverance rebuild is done. The announcement says they have one more Independent Non-Exec left to appoint.
Ms Murphy adds experience and independence to the board, which is now starting to look like a more rounded and capable board (goverance, logistics industry experience, tech experience). From 2016-2022 she chaired the Audit & Risk Committee at Altium which, like $WTC, is a global enterprise SaaS player and leader in its industry.
From my perspective, this is a good appointment, and will hopefully sooth the nerves of some of the disgruntled insto. investors. I particularly like that, in addition to her Non-Exec experience, she has also had experience as a CEO / MD.
Interested if any other StrawPeople have views on Raelene from their exposure to her at other companies.
My BA has compiled the following resume for her. (Please note, I have not personally fact-checked it in detail, and so there may be some factual errors). From a quick look, it seems to align with her LinkedIn Profile.
Independent Non-Executive Director
Incoming Director, WiseTech Global (effective 1 January 2026)
Highly experienced Australian public company director with more than 35 years’ leadership across governance, financial oversight, corporate restructuring, strategic transformation and complex transactions. Recognised specialist in audit and risk governance, frequently appointed as Chair of Audit & Risk Committees across ASX-listed companies. Brings deep expertise in turnaround situations, balance sheet discipline, enterprise risk management and board effectiveness across industrial, healthcare, FMCG, technology and regulated sectors.
WiseTech Global Limited (ASX:WTC)
Independent Non-Executive Director (from 1 January 2026)
Tabcorp Holdings Limited (ASX:TAH)
Non-Executive Director
Chair, Audit Committee
Bega Cheese Limited (ASX:BGA)
Non-Executive Director
Chair, Audit & Risk Committee
Member, People & Capability Committee; Risk & Sustainability Committee
Integral Diagnostics Limited (ASX:IDX)
Non-Executive Director
Chair, Audit Committee
Amotiv Limited (ASX:AOV)
Independent Non-Executive Director
Chair, Audit Committee
Member, Nomination, Remuneration and Risk / Safety / Sustainability Committees
Altium Limited (ASX:ALU)
Non-Executive Director; Chair, Audit & Risk Committee (2016 – 2022)
Elders Limited (ASX:ELD)
Non-Executive Director (2020 – 2024)
Service Stream (ASX:SSM)
Non-Executive Director (2015 – 2019)
Managing Director – 333 Group / KordaMentha
Senior restructuring and turnaround leader, specialising in complex corporate recovery, strategic reviews and performance transformation. Involved in major government and enterprise restructures, including advisory work on the National Broadband Network (NBN).
Chief Executive Officer – Delta Group
Led a diversified industrial services and construction group, overseeing operational restructuring, financial stabilisation and strategic repositioning.
Senior Executive – Mars Group
Held senior finance and operational roles within global FMCG operations, gaining deep exposure to multinational governance, supply chain operations and performance management.
Partner – Horwath (now BDO)
Led corporate turnaround and restructuring advisory practice.
Ms Murphy is widely regarded for her disciplined approach to financial governance, pragmatic oversight of management, and ability to guide organisations through structural change while maintaining strong risk discipline and shareholder alignment. Her appointment to WiseTech strengthens the board’s depth in audit, risk and large-scale transformation oversight.
Disc: Held
@Solvetheriddle ... sounds like neither of us got any insight from our AGM questions!
On CTO, I'll have another go at Investor Day.
WiseTech; the Company) provides an update that officers of the Australian Securities and Investments Commission and the Australian Federal Police attended WiseTech’s Sydney office yesterday.
They executed a search warrant requiring the production of documents regarding alleged trading in WiseTech shares by Richard White and three WiseTech employees during the period from late 2024 to early 2025.
So far as WiseTech is aware, no charges have been laid against any person and there are no allegations against the Company itself. WiseTech intends to fully cooperate with any investigation.
Over the last 6 weeks or so RW has sold 3% of the company on market... (he still owns 35%). Is that odd? Surely a block trade of some kind would be less damaging to the share price...
WTC opened lower at open,
Total revenue $778.7m ↑ 13% organically
Underlying NPAT1 $241.8m ↑ 30% on FY24
Statutory NPAT $200.7m (↑ 17%) Underlying EPS 72.8 cps (↑ 30%)
https://hotcopper.com.au/threads/ann-wisetech-global-fy25-results-investor-presentation.8734516/


WiseTech will issue a dividend of 7.7 cents per share.
The company's "general and administration" costs skyrocketed nearly 50%, from US$97 million to US$142 million. R&D spend was up 10% to US$185 million, though sales and marketing costs decreased 15% to US$51 million.
What is included in the FY26 guidance:
• Retention of existing CargoWise customers consistent with historical levels • Overall supply chain volumes reflecting recent trends
• New customer growth consistent with historical levels
• New product and feature launches monetized
• Contractual increases in revenue from existing customers, including those reflecting the end of temporary pricing arrangements
• Standard price increases
• Inflation in staff and other costs
• Full year effect of FY25 acquisitions and a minor reduction for non-CargoWise revenue, as a group overall, from product exits, as expected



Outlook >>>>>>>>>

Voted down at open>>

Zubin Appoo has been appointed CEO of $WTC.
Here's his LinkedIn profile.
This is someone who will know RW and $WTC well, having been with $WTC from 2004 to 2018, as head of Innovation and Technology.
IMO, RW has decided to prioritise someone he knows and presumably trusts over an experienced CEO who has run a global tech firm. And given everything that has transpired in the last year, I can't say I am surprised.
But this is a big step up for Zubin. As far as I can see he hasn't run anything of the scale and complexity of $WTC over the seven years he has been away. And $WTC is a much larger and more complex firm that when he was last there.
An important appointment, this allows Andrew Cartledge to set sail and retire, having supported RW through a tricky time as Acting CEO.
Clearly, the Executive Chairman will continue to make the big calls, and that will give time for Zubin to grow into the role. So, I am OK with the appointment. Let's see how they go.
Disc: Held in RL only
WiseTech Global has told employees it is increasing the use of artificial intelligence across the business as part of a broad restructure of the ASX-listed logistics software giant that will result in redundancies.
In a note on Tuesday, WiseTech chief of staff Zubin Appoo said the company had made the decision after “a deep assessment of our operating model, teams, roles, skills and processes”.
“The result of the assessment means we will conduct a phased restructure program across all functions of the business and all regions. There will likely be several phases across the business, and we will communicate these as soon as possible,” Appoo wrote in the email to staff.
WiseTech employs about 3500 people around the world. The first phase of restructure will focus on the product development and customer service divisions, and the WiseTech Academy in Australia, India, the United States and China. WiseTech Academy offers certification and training for using the company’s products such as CargoWise, which helps co-ordinate freight.
It is unclear how many roles will be made redundant.
Fundie View - ECP Growth manger:
Wisetech (WTC) outperformed in May following the speculation & confirmation of an acquisition offer for US listed peer E2open, on a significantly lower earnings multiple. While E2open hasn't shown standalone growth, and comprises a number of acquisitions historically accumulated by the listed prior listed entity, we think the value can be enhanced in WTC's hands over time, primarily due to the data assets E2open comprises. One simple example is its ownership of Avantida (part of its INTTRA platform acquired in 2018) which has a 21% share in global ocean freight bookings plus a container reuse platform used by 13 ocean carriers in 37 countries. Ownership and control could enhance the rollout of Wisetech’s key project Container Transport Optimisation in major markets, owing to the additional container-related movement data
They've done it! $WTC announces acquisition of E3Open for US$2.1bn funded by a new US$3.0bn debt facility with a large group of bank lenders.
My quick observation
I have previously explained my enthusiasm for the industrial logic of this complementary acquisition. While it moves $WTC to a leverage of 3.5x EBITDA, the new lending facility leaves the business with US$0.7bn of liquidity, and strong free cash flows of the business will see debt falling to <2.0 within 3 years, excluding any contribution from synergies (which $WTC have proven time and again they can extract over the 2-3 year timeframe).
It is far and away the largest of $WTC's 55 acquisitions over >10 years, and exceeds the value of all combined (US$1.2bn). So given that all acquisitions involve execution risk, this is of another order of scale to anything $WTC has done before. Therefore success is not a given.
Overall, at 10x adjusted EBITDA, the acquisition multiple is modest for this type of business, considering $WTC trades on a forward multiple of 53x! It no doubt reflects the difficulties E2Open has faced over recent years with declining sales and leadership changes. Clearly, RW has formed the view that the business will be stronger when combined with Cargowise and the recent investments in landside logistics. We'll see.
It certainly opens a new chapter in the evolution of $WTC. Does it help advance the Global OS strategy enabling $WTC to eventually come to dominate global logistics?? Or is it a case of strategic diworsification? In any event, it brings new capabilities into $WTC that would have taken a decade or more to build organically.
Invester call in 30 minutes!
Disc: Held in RL only
$WTC issued a late confirmation this evening that it is engaged in a strategic review of US supply chain and logistics provider E2Open ($ETWO).
While $WTC has confirmed it is looking at E2Open, it is making clear that a transaction might not evenutate.
E2Open is a complementary business to $WTC focused on supply chain planning, demand forecasting, supplier collaboration, and global trade compliance, whereas the Cargowise focus is more on logistics execution—freight forwarding, customs compliance, and transportation. That said, there are areas of overlap.
The timing could be fortuitous from the $WTC perspective. E2Open was pretty acquisitive in 2021 and 2022, and over the last two years has made major goodwill writedowns, as these acquisitions have not delivered the intended value. (Let that be a warning to RW!) See the SP chart below.
As a result, market cap is down from US$3.42bn in late 2021 to US$1.8bn in 2023 to US$611mn yesterday! What a fall from grace! (We might expect a bit of a pop overnight, given news of $WTC's interest.)
Despite the writedowns and forecast continuing NPAT losses - presumably due to continuing goodwill amortisation - E2Open is still valued on a EV/EBITDA of 6.75, with forecast EBIT of US171m, even though revenue growth looks pretty flatlined.
As an acquisition this lies totally within $WTC's current financial capacity, however, it would easily be the largest acquisition to date, with all the risk that entails.
I tasked my AI BA with putting together a "Strategic Rationale" for why $WTC might contemplate such an acquisition. Overall, it makes sense to me. IF they can execute sucessfully.
Still, counting chickens here. There might not even be a deal.
Strategic Rationale for Acquisition ((Prepared by ChatGPT4.0)
My Conclusion
I don't know enough about E2Open to have a considered view about the potential combination.
There are some potential orange flags. While the large Blume and Envase landside logistics software deals appear to have progressed well, there have been delays to the launch of Container Optimisation, which presumably integrated some of their capabilities. We've not been given any insights into that, other than RW wanted to move slowly to get things right, starting with a small localised trial implementation.
E2Open is a significantly larger acquistion than anything $WTC has done before, and although $WTC has built a strong capability over the last deacde in successfully acquiring and integrating businesses. E2Open is a step up in scale, and itself includes two material recent acquisitions (Bluejay Solutions and Logistyx Technologies), which were part of E2Open's own growth story and scaling up. No doubt, RW and team are doing their due diligence on what precisely thay might be getting into.
I'm not going to second guess Richard and his management team. They've been pretty sure footed over the last decade in the acquisitions they've made and, when the time comes, they'll lay out the rationale. It will surely be something about accelerating by years the building of the Global Logistics OS. So, let's wait and see what happens, if anything.
However, given E2Opens recent fall from grace and sluggish outlook, the timing could be right to make this move if it brings complementary capabilities AND a large client based into which $WTC can cross-sell Cargowise.
Given $WTC's long term strategic goal, it is hardly surprising that the acquisitions they will consider will grow as they do. At just shy of A$1bn market cap, E2Open is still a minnow compared with $WTC's almost A$19bn!
Disc: I hold WTC in RL only

90% of the air time on $WTC has unfortunately recently been on governance issues, but it good to see the team have been progressing tuck-in acquisitions to build out the platform capability and reach.
There have been 4 small acquisitions in as many months, with two very small ones in Latin America that haven't even warranted ASX announcements, but that are on the company website:
Both are tiny acqusitions focused on customs software in Latin America, extending the Cargowise footprint.
Customs processes, rules and other knowledge are highly jurisdiction-specific, and these acquisitions are about bringing the people with the knowledge in the acquired companies into $WTC, as well as their software code (which get's rewritten into Cargowise), and the customers - who become cross-sell opportunities.
This has been a hallmark of the $WTC growth strategy over many years now, and they have demonstrated a strong integration capability, as well as the ability to retain key staff. This was evidenced by some of the acquired CEOs who presented at the last investor day.
Andrew C, Vlad and the team know what they are doing here. And it is good to see that strong efforts are afoot continuing to build out Global Logistics OS despite all the noise that dominates the headlines.
Over recent days $WTC has communicated continued progress in its work to re-establish/repair the governance organisation.
Yesterday it published the results from its Shareholder Engagement Survey
The Board's response is:
This was then followed by the announcement of two new Non-Executive Directors, as follows:
Chris Charlton:
Andrew Harrison
Next Steps
The Board is actively recruiting two additional independent directors, including one with Audit & Risk Committee experience.
My Assessment
While $WTC clearly are engaging with shareholders and addressing the governance concerns, they are very much doing on their own terms.
Andrew Harrison was Chair of $WTC from June 2005 until April 2024. His absence of 1 year form the company does not pass the common standard whereby 3 years absence is (as I understand it) considered good practice in terms of justifying the claim to be independent. For many who are concerned about strict corporate governance standards, this will not be considered good enough. I expect we will hear challenges on this from Proxy Advisors and organisations like the ASA.
With Harrison now joinging Charles Gibbon, we have the two previous Chairs on the Board who have spanned $WTC public listing history, I think. So not a strong rating for independence, but a mark of continuity that has seen shareholder value grow from $3,35 at IPO in 2016 through to over $80, only 9 years later.
Chris Charlton. This is a good move, adding to the Board someone with deep experience in the logistics industry on the customer side. Chris has spent 35 years in the logistics indutry, of which 26 were spent at UPS - a major Cargowise Customer. Importantly, Chris's experience is customs and compliance, and important area of potential growth for $WTC, given some prominnence a couple of years ago when Kuhne-Nagel signed up to the Customs & Compliance module. Of course, in a world of increasing tariffs and trade protection, this part of the $WTC offereing becomes potentially increasingly important.
So Chris is the first Director who looks like he can claim to be Independent.
At one level, while I welcome Chris' experience and skillset, I am a little underwhelmed given that he only reached divisional VP level at UPS, and I believe a company of the scale and global reach of $WTC should have a heavier hitter for a Board renewal that will set up the company for the next decade of growth. That said, when I compare Chris' industry experience, it vastly outstrips the combined experience of the four directors who have departed, none of whom had industry credentials in global logistics as far as I could see. So, on paper, Chris is a solid "tick" from me.
The Board will be well aware that they do not pass any reasonable measure of indepedence, and so the last line of the release is important to me. They intend to appoint two additional independent directors. It will be interesting to see both the credentials and the degree of independence of these next two appointments. I imagine Richard and his co-directors will be all to well aware of that.
So, good progress, but more to do. But it appears that RW and the Board are taking this all seriously.
Disc: Held
https://www.afr.com/technology/asic-calls-in-former-wisetech-directors-to-provide-evidence-20250318-p5lkd3
ASIC's interest is likely to keep sentiment depressed further, and cast a pall over RW's continued association with the company.
The chart of WTC is obviously broken and bearish after recent events, but there is an eerily interesting thing about today's low.
It is exactly the price reached at the bottom of the one-day yen carry trade panic (remember that?) on 06/08/2024, down to the cent!
So, is that the bottom? Only time will tell, but markets tend to exhibit an uncanny symmetry about them, so I wouldn't be surprised if it did turn out to be the case.
RW is back.
New Board Update
The new Board of WiseTech Global Limited (WiseTech, the Company, ASX:WTC) provides an update below. Board and Committee Composition Richard White has been appointed to the Board as Executive Chairman.
The Executive Chairman will, in conjunction with the Nomination Committee, oversee succession planning including completion of the internal and external search process for a permanent Chief Executive Officer.
The Executive Chairman will lead the Company’s product development and growth strategy. His remuneration is to be agreed but will not exceed his pre-October 2024 CEO salary.
Mike Gregg has now joined the Board, as announced on 24 February 2025. Mike Gregg has been appointed Lead Independent Director.
The People & Remuneration Committee is now made up of Charles Gibbon and Mike Gregg. Lead
Independent Director responsibilities
The Lead Independent Director will have carriage of governance related matters and the Board renewal process. He will also lead the Board (excluding Mr White) in overseeing the completion of the Board Review announced on 24 October 2024.
The Lead Independent Director will request a briefing from Seyfarth Shaw in the coming days as to the scope and status of their review and will seek to ensure all relevant parties are interviewed, and that a thorough approach with due process is followed. It is anticipated that an update as to the status of the report will be provided to the market in mid to late March.
Due to the resignation of four directors, the Company does not currently satisfy the ASX Listing Rules requirement that its Audit and Risk Committee comprise at least three non-executive directors. The Company intends to appoint additional independent directors as soon as practicable so that this rule can be complied with.
The Board expects that at least one appointment will occur within 4 weeks. As part of the Board renewal process a shareholder engagement process will commence in the following days to ascertain their views on the relevant skillset for the future Board composition.
Four of the Indepedent Directors are standing down after the half results because the Board could not agree about what to do with RW.
It seems to me that Charles and Maree, backed up likely by a controlling interest of shares have backed RW.
Essentially, a new Board is required. It will be interesting to see what happens.
But I take from this, that the report returned no findings of illegality on RW's part, however, it seems likely that he crossed the line of acceptable behaviour as deemed by these 4 directors. (Speculation, Speculation)
The circus will continue.
What will the SP do? RW still here. But a corporate goverence crisis!
Disc: Held
Mr White in the headlines again.
More allegations against him.
Interestingly, it seems he has not signed the agreement that would see him take on his new role at the company.
"People close to Mr White said he had privately expressed frustration with the decision to remove him as chief executive and informally discussed moving WiseTech to the United States in the longer term."
If that were true, I guess he'd need to stay the head honcho, in order to make that happen.
See AFR article here: https://www.afr.com/technology/i-ve-been-too-trusting-richard-white-responds-to-new-allegations-20250209-p5lapv
I attended the $WTC Investor Day today, which focused on the new products: Compliance Wise, Cargowise Next, and Container Transport Optimisation (CTO). But, as importantly in the light of recent events, the day provided the opportunity to see key members of the broader management team.There was a lot to absorb today, and I don’t have the energy to summarise all the insights of the day. So will rather share a few top level impressions.
The $WTC bench of leaders are impressive, particularly in their longevity with the company and/or how leaders of historical acquisitions have integrated effectively into the business (and by this I mean not just as heads of their former businesses, which over time get full subsumed by Cargowise and related products, but as leaders of overall functions within $WTC).
We saw about 10 leaders across products, technology, sales, and finance. If I was to single one out, I was very impressed with Acting CFO Caroline Pham. She facilitated several of the sessions, demonstrated she was across all areas of the business, and is a phenomenally clear communicator. Very impressive. But then again Brett Shearer (CTO and Chief Architect, with $WTC since 1994), John Pritchard (Product Development, since 2019), and Vlad Bilanovsky (Chief Execution Officer) were all impressive. Too.
It is also clear that there is a powerful and high performing culture in $WTC ("Creedo" and "Mantras") that truly govern/shape how people behave and decisions are reached.
But it was the closing panel when Richard White came back on-stage and in some of the excellent questions, that clearly demonstrated that this is a company whose evolution is still being guided forward by his vision for the roadmap to creating the operating system for global logistics. And that’s not a just slogan, as it was clear in many of the questions and answers that this is a vision that the entire leadership team is focused on turning into a reality. It is a massive under-taking, and there are decades to run, but the belief that they will succeed and in their strategic differentiation is palpable.
At the very end of the session, I felt I got some insights into the delayed launch of CTO and the adjustment to guidance. When CTO goes live it will be with a limited scope – focused in the market around Sydney, with one optimisation (out of “10”) turned on, before being extended to the East Coast of Australia and then the West Coas of the US. In my view, this alone was never going to account for the adjustment in guidance that was recently announced. No way! Which leads me to conclude several things: 1) that $WTC got ahead of itself in issuing the initial FY25 (my hypothesis when I exited several months ago); 2) that there have been an accumulation of delays in new product launches over the last years; and 3) that the process of scoping what goes in the “go live” version has been progressively descoped to ensure that they launch a product that works.
The forces at work here were all set in train under RW’s watch, with at most a month or two of a drag on senior decision-making on key go-no-go decisions during the recent media circus. That was because these decisions involved descoping and delays – decisions which only the CEO can ultimately take.
Again, in my view, this is all a manifestation of the inevitable tension that exists between the visionary CEO, and the ability of the team to deliver. I’ve seen it before elsewhere, and after today’s sessions I am even more convinced than before the meeting that this is what’s at play at $WTC. Frankly, it would be better if they didn’t give guidance, because the tension in itself is not a negative thing. Not having guidance would leave the team free to work out these issues without having to recalibrate external expectations.
Having made these somewhat negative remarks, it is clear that the three new products will ultimately drive significant future value. If CTO gets traction in the market, it could be as big as Cargowise.
From today, Richard sees himself fully unleashed from management and governance tasks to develop the roadmap, the product, and key customers engagements to bring his vision to reality. If there is a risk, it is that without being accountable for promises made to the market, the tension between driving $WTC to implement his vision, and the reality of updating shareholders on guidance expectations may well be something that emerges from time to time. We should not be surprised when it does. That is the consequence of ambition.
Without seeing the specifics, we also got clear insights into the existence of work on material future product innovations, that will extend long into the future.
Valuation
I need to go away and look at my valuation.
I believe that there is a near term risk that an inevitable maturing of Cargowise revenue growth may coincide with a gap as delayed new products ramp up. This creates the possibility that if the market can’t see through this, that I will get a re-entry point for $WTC. i.e., the market recalibrates to a slightly softer FY25 projecting that forward, with then growth recharged in FY26 and FY27 and new product sales kick in. Something to mull over.
I haven't decided what this means for my reinvesting for $WTC. There is more work to do over the summer.
Looking back at the deep dive I did a couple of years ago, I estimated that $WTC in 2019 held about a 1% share of the global market for logistics and supply chain software. I also estimated that my valuations were based on this growing to between 6-9% by 2042.
I think I need to go back and look at some of those assumptions, following today’s presentation. I might be doing $WTC a disservice.
Disc: Not currently held, but that's likely only temporary
WTC aim to gain Governence stabilty.
Noted: WTC team 3,500 people vs PME team 120 people
some slides here-
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I love the AFR. But its recent "go for his nuts" approach to playing the man, not the ball (pun sort of intended ..) is starting to get to me a bit once the initial public service of raising unseen/unknown red flags outlives its usefulness. In my view, the relentless desire to find ANY fault with every and anything starts to dilute the importance of investigative journaling. I am feeling this way the more I read Joe Aston's book on Qantas, for example - it has got way, way too personal vs Joyce.
Unless of course, there is an angle to the announcement which I haven't quite seen, hence this post/question.
This was an extract of the AFR's take on the WTC announcement on Fri where Maree Isaacs sold a chunk of her shares to Richard with a somewhat funky deal stretching out 7 years.
I read the announcement and my immediate reaction was (1) good for Maree (2) Richard is committing himself to more holdings and a somewhat orderly drawdown vs flooding the market or selling a block to another investor who could cause turbulence in the WTC book (3) how Richard pays Maree is a matter for him/them. This is, for all intents and purposes, no different from how one fund sells a block to another fund and deals with the funding/settlement issue - the Board notes the change in shareholding, however the deal is structured, and everyone moves on.
So this AFR take surprised me. I am wondering why, as a shareholder, should I be concerned with this, beyond the above. Its a shareholder to shareholder sale, no doubt both are insiders. But it is still a matter for them and I can't quite see how the Board should be concerned with this. The fact that the numbers are big does not change it for me. Is the AFR, or specifically, Mark di Stefano, trying to make news where there is none to be made?
Wondering what everyone's take on this is and if I am missing something blatantly obvious here. Am doing this to try to sharpen my read of these sorts of announcements, particularly after the recent spate of corporate governance drama's.
Discl: Held IRL
Extract of AFR article only:
This statement is fascinating for its lack of detail. What’s with the indeterminate amount of time? Is there a nominal value? Is the volume-weighted average price calculated by the share price movements of the previous quarter, or for the entire preceding period? Does Isaacs get more money if WiseTech shares go up? Or down? Is White making a killing off this or isn’t he? Do either of them even know?
Shareholders may want to ask because the numbers underlying the deal are so damn big. Isaacs held 8.17 per cent of RealWise, which in turn owned 37.43 per cent of WiseTech’s shares.
Deducting the upfront cash Isaacs received, White should at current market prices owe her roughly $1 billion. To settle that debt, he’s committed to pay her quarterly instalments of an unfixed amount, for an unspecified period. Isaacs is effectively taking on White’s credit risk. Think of it as a loan. A mystery $1 billion vendor loan taken out by the LinkedIn Lecher.
The terms should be of paramount importance to anyone invested in WiseTech’s success. White isn’t the CEO any more, but he is still easily the largest shareholder and remains a salaried “consultant” reporting to the chairman. Now he has a $1 billion commercial arrangement with a board director, which will be paid off, presumably, by further share sales (White’s been a monumental seller of late, including to pay for his divorce). How has all this not been clearly enunciated by the company?
$WTC held their AGM this morning – online only, to the chagrin of many shareholders. However, in fairness to the Board, it appears that all questions were aired and discussed without grouping or editorialising. Furthermore, the Board has committed to move back to a hybrid mode next year, in response to requests from shareholders. So, that’s a positive.
In this straw, I outline in some detail why I have exited $WTC (again!), and conclude with some reflection on tech valuations.
Update on The Investigation
There was a separate detailed release on the progress to date on the investigation. This involves an external legal firm as well as forensic accountancy services. 21 staff have been interviewed c. 30 interviews. Chair Richard Dammery has said there is no deadline for the conclusion of the review - it will take as long as it needs to take.
So far, there has been no evidence of any wrong-doing or breaches of company policies. It seems to me that RW has exercised judgement in being able to separate his personal life from his work life, and where relationships inextricably overlapped, he appears to have made appropriate disclosures before the fact. Importantly, there is no evidence of any misuse of company funds.
While there is further for the investigations to run, I believe that in due course this chapter will close with RW's professional reputation and standing in his new role intact.
RD spoke about the toll this whole fiasco has taken on RW, and played a recorded statement from RW where he expressed his regret for the impact the entire episode has had on everyone, including employees and shareholders. (He also appeared live later in the meeting to answer a question, restating his unchanged commitment to the company, and his intention to continue to be a major shareholder for the very long term, continuing his gradual sell-down policy.)
Guidance Downgrade
More significantly - and this is what has moved the SP today – there was a material downgrade to FY25 guidance.
The reason: Management distraction leading to a delay in the launch of Container Transport Optimisation, one of the three new products being launched this FY. The others being ComplianceWise and CargoWise Next.
The only other quantitative information I could discern was acting CEO Andrew referring to a further $50m (I think) of cost synergies from acquisitions, which will drive continuing EBITDA Margin improvements into FY26, probably towards 54% (my view). (I'd already expected them to get to 54% by FY27, and ultimately all the way to 60% in the long term in my central case!)
My Assessment
As I’ve written here before, the reason I sold in late August and early September after the FY Results, is that I considered the FY25 guidance to be aggressive and with the SP at $130 flying well past my upper valuation limit. I expect this to set-up $WTC for a miss or a downgrade in the FY25 results, or at the HY.
But that was before the "RW circus" erupted. Of course, when given the chance to buy back after the "circus came to town" at $106, I took that chance.
That FY guidance was downgraded today was, therefore, not a surprise to me. But what is a surprise was for management and the Board to lay the blame for this solely at the feet of "circus" distractions, leading to delays in the new product launch. And on further discussions in Q&A, to reveal the pivotal role RW plays in the key decisions around the launch.
That is thesis-challenging for me. I genuinely believed that RW had built a strong bench under him, and that with the amount of planning and investment that has gone into the development of the new products since the acquisition of Envase, Blume and Matchbox, my assumption was that his hand would not be mission-critical for getting the products launched. I was wrong.
Why am I attaching so much weight to this?
Well, we don’t yet know who the new CEO will be. The search will take some time. Evidently, this is an operation that still requires careful direction at the operational level from whoever is in charge. And what that means is that the Founder and Founder CEO will be intimately involved in important operational decisions going forward. Yet this will also be the domain of the new CEO. The organisation has clearly not yet matured to the level where the Executives below the CEO are driving key day-to-day decisions (I consider "Go-No-Go" on a product launch something you might expect to see within the authority of a COO in conjuction with the EVP Sales and Marketing/Customers.)
What is also a concern is to see how much of the guidance change is placed at the feet of the new products. All of it! At face value, taking the mid-points, we’re talking $75m of revenue and $50m of EBITDA, or, in other words over one-quarter of the originally planned growth for FY25 in what would have been less than full year contributions in any event, as new products were progressively rolled out to customers through the year (we know they hadn't started in August/September before the circus came to town).
Don’t get me wrong, $WTC’s updated growth is still impressive. But even with the FY25 guidance, my valuation range was $103 ($92 - $123). I haven’t gone back and looked at what would be reasonable with the new guidance, but its lower.
Now I realise that when you do valuations you can get whatever numbers you like. An increasing gap is opening up between several of the better analysts and me. So maybe my work is flawed. For example, going into today, GS have a 12m TP of $138. (My numbers are a valuation today, not a 12m TP, but even so, that puts GS 35% ahead of me, which is maybe OK given $WTC’s track record of returns over the last 5+ years.)
But given that the SP early today was at $125 (an 18% return in 4-5 weeks for me) and that:
1) it once again exceeds my upper limit on valuation;
2) my valuation will need to be adjusted down to take account of the guidance change – likely in the order of 3-5%;
3) based on what we’ve learned today, I believe that $WTC faces the risk of an ongoing reduction in organisation effectiveness, until a new CEO is established in their role; and
4) while the market seems to be looking past a lot of this today, this company remains very highly rated with a forward P/E of 107x.
I'd rather step aside for a while and see how things pan out, simply based on valuation and because I consider the ingredients remain in place for further operational mis-steps that the valuation cannot bear.
That said, I’m pretty confident $WTC will hit the new guidance. Andrew is the numbers guy, and he’ll understand the importance of NOT missing his first guidance. Importantly, with $WTC’s excellent visibility to the recurring revenues, and now clarity on new product role-outs and a diminishing opportunity for them to contribute to the full year, there is also the small matter that the all important EBITDA guidance range has ACTUALLY WIDENED, despite being 3 months further down the track from when it was first set.
And maybe, just maybe, the original FY25 Guidance was a bit of an over-reach (that was my original hypothesis, after all) and the "circus" provides a nice little smokescreen. After all, it's not the first time $WTC has been overly aggressive on initial FY Guidance!
A Reflection on Tech Valuations
Among many of the topics of conversation around the table at last night's excellent Brisbane Strawman gathering organised by @CanadianAussie, valuations of some techs were discussed, including $XRO, $PME, $WTC and $TNE. (As well as some smaller ones like $CAT, $SPZ etc. which I am not addressing here.)
Perhaps with the exception of $XRO among the larger caps, which has only recently passed through its inflection point (FY24), these other 3 tech darlings all have highly elevated P/Es (and other multiples like EV/EBITDA), both in historical terms, and on a comparitive basis. For these, I don't thingk you can really say "don't look at P/E, after all they're just passing through the inflection". And if, like me, you do DCFs, you have to have significantly long, strong growth runways with good terminal P/Es to support the valuations.
I've long been a tech bull, and for most of the last 8 years have held each of $XRO, $WTC and TNE - sometimes all at the same time. And I admit that my adherence to my valuation methodology has meant I've never owned $PME, which has probably been my costliest decision!
However, tech bull though I am, I am struggling to see value from here in these names. I still want to own them, but only if I can see the returns. I won't follow the herd.
While I still hold $XRO in RL (having re-entered in August around $130), I'm having doubts here again too, given the very pedestrian subscriber growth recently announced.
Maybe, I'm finally becoming a small cap investor after all!
Disc: Not held
And there it is. (25% to 100%)
In this straw, I summarise the market response, analyst response, and my own valuation update, following the surprisingly good result/outlook yesterday for $WTC.
Suffice to say, its a pattern we've seen before.
Market Reponse
The market opened positively, yesterday up 20% with the day's volumes of 1.8m about 4x daily norms. Today has added another 9%+ (at time of writing) on another 1.7m shares, taking the cumulative uplift to around 29%. Just to be clear, that's about $9bn market cap added.
Analysts
Overnight, several analysts updated their valuations and TPs. (Remember there TP's are 12m targets)
Here's a snapshot of the individuals I've been able to track:

The more complete set on marketscreener.com has moved as follows:
Prior to result: Average $92.82 ($55-$115; n= 18)
Post result: Average $107.32 ($55-$129; n=18)
An average change of +16%, albeit not all have updated.
My Valuation
I have previously reported the details of my detailed, long-run DCF model, built a couple of years ago.
Today was the first day I updated it following the Blume and Envase acquisitions early last year, which always muddy the waters, and I find that I need a clear 12 months for things to stablise, which they appear to.
Based on my range of scenarios for revenue and margin evolution, I get the following:
P(exp.) = $103; Range ($92 - $123)
My Divestment Decision
Earlier this year I sold my full $WTC holding at c.$96, because at that time the SP had flown up towards the top of my valuation range. On 5th August, I bought the position back at a cost base of $87.37, ... courtesy I think of the unwinding of the Japanese carry trade.
Although $WTC is a quality business, its share price is fairly volatile, partly because the market continually misjudges the temporary impact of %GM compression following acquisitions (which are about acquiring capability and market footprint, to then fold into Cargowise). This time a further misreading was due to $WTC taking time to develop the next set of product enhancements, resulting in high R&D and capex, with organic revenue slower to respond.
But whenever the market gets behind the eight-ball on what's really going on, and the result surprises, there is an over-reaction. This most recent "over-reaction" has even caught me by surprise. Having realised a gain of almost 40% in less than three weeks, I have today sold down 50% of my RL position.
I know it can be dumb to sell your winners. Real dumb. But over the last 8 years I have consistently sold down $WTC when it hits the top of my valuation range and bought back when the SP moves to the low end of the band.
One measure I track is the EV/EBITDA(forward) mulitple. Historically, this moves around quite a bit within the band of 38 to 52. Today at my exit price, it hit around 58. I'm confident history will prove that's not sustainable.
Whether its P/E or EV/EBITDA or any other valuation multiple, $WTC moves around quite a lot. So even though it is probably my favourite stock, and the business on the ASX I understand well (second only to $PNV), I do tend to move in and out of it every 1 to 2 years.
I didn't sell my entire position because sometimes the market gets completely irrational about $WTC, and it is not uncommon for it to go even higher over the coming weeks. Worst case, scenario, I'll hold what is still a 5% position in my portfolio for the long term.
Happy Days.
Disc: Held in RL (5%)
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